dual twinhans

danielpugh · 2005-10-31, 21:11

Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2
CPU Type: amd64 3200+
Memory: 1gb ddr
Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4
Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4
Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg
Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2
Video Card Driver: catalyst 5.9
Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard
Sound Card AC3:
Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard
TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus
TV Card Type: dvb-t
TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7
Video Render Type: vmr9
Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter
Audio Codec: dscaler
Satelite/CableTV Provider:
HTPC Case: accent ht400
Power Supply: elan evp-400
Remote: imon
TV: acer al2671w
TV - HTPC Connection: dvi

Hi there, this site is handy. Im not 100% sure if this is the correct place to post issues, but think its the closest as cvs is the closest i have come to a working setup.

i have two twinhan dvb-t cards (one ci and one without). the only software (which although it works isnt very user friendly) is dntv live (which works with two cards concurrently, tried and tested so my hardware is ok.). With this i have determined that the 1.2.1.7 drivers are most reliable. all the 1.2.2.x range seem to have problems with jerkiness etc which are not evident in whcl or 1.2.1.7 drivers.#

with a single card everything works fine in all software.

with dual cards everything always breaks. I have tried 1.3, 2.0rc1 and last couple of days worth of cvs releases.

i can always get detection of both cards and signal and autotune fine.

using 1.2.2.7 things almost work, but everything is jumpy (similar to 1.3 versions)

radio seems to work ok though although it takes a few seconds to start up.

whenever the second card is called this appears in the error logs.

DVBGraphBDA: FAILED unable to start graph :0x800700AA

so....

1. how can i help most. i have installed the test tool, but am not sure if my info will be of use if its never been working stable?
2. should i stick with the latest drivers although they do not seem to be as reliable as older drivers.
3. is it a mistake for me to be using cvs at all. i would like to as the improvements are very obvious in all parts of the new version, and i pretty much love the software all round.
4. has anyone got two twinhans working ever?

bigal · 2005-10-31, 21:54

are tou sure that it's possible ?
in the manual I think that it's says that you can't use two card if they use the bt878 chip, only one card with bt878 is supported by twinhans dvb card

/BigAl

danielpugh · 2005-10-31, 22:02

Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2
CPU Type: amd64 3200+
Memory: 1gb ddr
Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4
Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4
Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg
Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2
Video Card Driver:
Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard
Sound Card AC3:
Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard
TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus
TV Card Type: dvb-t
TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7
Video Render Type: vmr9
Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter
Audio Codec: dscaler
Satelite/CableTV Provider:
HTPC Case: accent ht400
Power Supply: elan evp-400
Remote: imon
TV: acer al2671w
TV - HTPC Connection: dvi
its definately possible. i have had it running with dntv live, and m.soft mce.

unless you mean its not possible with mp. have been searching through all forums for a while and not seen anything saying shouldnt (my eyes are not great though)

attached is radio...

this works jerkily at first. when you click on previous, jerkiness stops and perfect audio. mediaportal crashes although sound continues fine until you end the task.

danielpugh · 2005-10-31, 22:11

Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2
CPU Type: amd64 3200+
Memory: 1gb ddr
Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4
Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4
Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg
Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2
Video Card Driver:
Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard
Sound Card AC3:
Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard
TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus
TV Card Type: dvb-t
TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7
Video Render Type: vmr9
Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter
Audio Codec: dscaler
Satelite/CableTV Provider:
HTPC Case: accent ht400
Power Supply: elan evp-400
Remote: imon
TV: acer al2671w
TV - HTPC Connection: dvi

this is log for attempting to switch channels with two cards configured (only one set with channels). at one point itv started working fine. This caused crash and had to stop/start tv. couldnt get to replicate on other channels. it looks a bit like its not displaying because no signal. signal is fine though (at least for the pace dual tuner, and when using earlier 1.2.1.7 drivers with dntv)

bigal · 2005-10-31, 22:15

Ok, i just read it in the manual but if you seen it work maybe you don't have du cards with the bt878 chip

/BigAl

danielpugh · 2005-10-31, 23:15

Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2
CPU Type: amd64 3200+
Memory: 1gb ddr
Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4
Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4
Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg
Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2
Video Card Driver:
Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard
Sound Card AC3:
Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard
TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus
TV Card Type: dvb-t
TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7
Video Render Type: vmr9
Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter
Audio Codec: dscaler
Satelite/CableTV Provider:
HTPC Case: accent ht400
Power Supply: elan evp-400
Remote: imon
TV: acer al2671w
TV - HTPC Connection: dvi

have you got the a link to the manual - i am not sure which one you are talking about. i cant find any references in the mediaportal wiki.

i am pretty sure its not the same as the b878 (btwincap) chip used for analogue tv (although not an expert)

can definately confirm that i have both my twinhan dvb-t cards working in dntv-live. 1 card watching 1 channel, and 1 card watching another channel on a different transponder. Also had mce working recording 1 channel and watching another on another transponder.

bigal · 2005-10-31, 23:50

the chips name is "Conexant BT878"

http://www.twinhan.com/files/manual/2.606/English.zip

page 7, under section 2.1.1

/BigAl

danielpugh · 2005-11-01, 11:01

Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2
CPU Type: amd64 3200+
Memory: 1gb ddr
Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4
Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4
Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg
Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2
Video Card Driver:
Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard
Sound Card AC3:
Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard
TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus
TV Card Type: dvb-t
TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7
Video Render Type: vmr9
Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter
Audio Codec: dscaler
Satelite/CableTV Provider:
HTPC Case: accent ht400
Power Supply: elan evp-400
Remote: imon
TV: acer al2671w
TV - HTPC Connection: dvi

thanks for that.
I have checked out the manual, and can only assume that is related to the wdm drivers which definately dont work in tandem.

i have definately had it working and here is a quote from another forum on graphing techniques

http://forums.dvbowners.com/index.php?showtopic=2182
"I also notice that with these drivers you can have multicard operation, they seem to be able to exist in the same program instance without the major drama's of tunning eg, you can run two VP card filter chains within the same Graphedit. I notice though that it can do this on the first filter chain by unmapping the PSI pids on the demux that is feeding the Transport information filter when the second graph is tunned and it also stops the first Network provider Interface to the TIF preventing you from retuning the first cards filter chain."

bigal · 2005-11-01, 12:20

Seems that is should work... =)
But i want MY (notice, one card) to work with MP first, before they fix the dual tuner problem =)

My card is a Twinhan DVB Cab-CI

/BigAl

danielpugh · 2005-11-01, 12:53

Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2
CPU Type: amd64 3200+
Memory: 1gb ddr
Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4
Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4
Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg
Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2
Video Card Driver:
Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard
Sound Card AC3:
Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard
TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus
TV Card Type: dvb-t
TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7
Video Render Type: vmr9
Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter
Audio Codec: dscaler
Satelite/CableTV Provider:
HTPC Case: accent ht400
Power Supply: elan evp-400
Remote: imon
TV: acer al2671w
TV - HTPC Connection: dvi

what is your problem with it. perhaps i can help?

one of mine is ci card

2005-10-31, 21:11	#1 (permalink)
danielpugh Portal Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	dual twinhans Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2 CPU Type: amd64 3200+ Memory: 1gb ddr Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4 Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4 Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2 Video Card Driver: catalyst 5.9 Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard Sound Card AC3: Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus TV Card Type: dvb-t TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7 Video Render Type: vmr9 Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter Audio Codec: dscaler Satelite/CableTV Provider: HTPC Case: accent ht400 Power Supply: elan evp-400 Remote: imon TV: acer al2671w TV - HTPC Connection: dvi Hi there, this site is handy. Im not 100% sure if this is the correct place to post issues, but think its the closest as cvs is the closest i have come to a working setup. i have two twinhan dvb-t cards (one ci and one without). the only software (which although it works isnt very user friendly) is dntv live (which works with two cards concurrently, tried and tested so my hardware is ok.). With this i have determined that the 1.2.1.7 drivers are most reliable. all the 1.2.2.x range seem to have problems with jerkiness etc which are not evident in whcl or 1.2.1.7 drivers.# with a single card everything works fine in all software. with dual cards everything always breaks. I have tried 1.3, 2.0rc1 and last couple of days worth of cvs releases. i can always get detection of both cards and signal and autotune fine. using 1.2.2.7 things almost work, but everything is jumpy (similar to 1.3 versions) radio seems to work ok though although it takes a few seconds to start up. whenever the second card is called this appears in the error logs. DVBGraphBDA: FAILED unable to start graph :0x800700AA so.... 1. how can i help most. i have installed the test tool, but am not sure if my info will be of use if its never been working stable? 2. should i stick with the latest drivers although they do not seem to be as reliable as older drivers. 3. is it a mistake for me to be using cvs at all. i would like to as the improvements are very obvious in all parts of the new version, and i pretty much love the software all round. 4. has anyone got two twinhans working ever?

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2005-10-31, 21:54	#2 (permalink)
bigal Portal Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gothenburg Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	are tou sure that it's possible ? in the manual I think that it's says that you can't use two card if they use the bt878 chip, only one card with bt878 is supported by twinhans dvb card /BigAl

2005-10-31, 22:02	#3 (permalink)
danielpugh Portal Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2 CPU Type: amd64 3200+ Memory: 1gb ddr Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4 Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4 Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2 Video Card Driver: Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard Sound Card AC3: Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus TV Card Type: dvb-t TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7 Video Render Type: vmr9 Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter Audio Codec: dscaler Satelite/CableTV Provider: HTPC Case: accent ht400 Power Supply: elan evp-400 Remote: imon TV: acer al2671w TV - HTPC Connection: dvi its definately possible. i have had it running with dntv live, and m.soft mce. unless you mean its not possible with mp. have been searching through all forums for a while and not seen anything saying shouldnt (my eyes are not great though) attached is radio... this works jerkily at first. when you click on previous, jerkiness stops and perfect audio. mediaportal crashes although sound continues fine until you end the task.

2005-10-31, 22:11	#4 (permalink)
danielpugh Portal Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2 CPU Type: amd64 3200+ Memory: 1gb ddr Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4 Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4 Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2 Video Card Driver: Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard Sound Card AC3: Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus TV Card Type: dvb-t TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7 Video Render Type: vmr9 Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter Audio Codec: dscaler Satelite/CableTV Provider: HTPC Case: accent ht400 Power Supply: elan evp-400 Remote: imon TV: acer al2671w TV - HTPC Connection: dvi this is log for attempting to switch channels with two cards configured (only one set with channels). at one point itv started working fine. This caused crash and had to stop/start tv. couldnt get to replicate on other channels. it looks a bit like its not displaying because no signal. signal is fine though (at least for the pace dual tuner, and when using earlier 1.2.1.7 drivers with dntv)

2005-10-31, 22:15	#5 (permalink)
bigal Portal Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gothenburg Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok, i just read it in the manual but if you seen it work maybe you don't have du cards with the bt878 chip /BigAl

2005-10-31, 23:15	#6 (permalink)
danielpugh Portal Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2 CPU Type: amd64 3200+ Memory: 1gb ddr Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4 Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4 Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2 Video Card Driver: Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard Sound Card AC3: Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus TV Card Type: dvb-t TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7 Video Render Type: vmr9 Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter Audio Codec: dscaler Satelite/CableTV Provider: HTPC Case: accent ht400 Power Supply: elan evp-400 Remote: imon TV: acer al2671w TV - HTPC Connection: dvi have you got the a link to the manual - i am not sure which one you are talking about. i cant find any references in the mediaportal wiki. i am pretty sure its not the same as the b878 (btwincap) chip used for analogue tv (although not an expert) can definately confirm that i have both my twinhan dvb-t cards working in dntv-live. 1 card watching 1 channel, and 1 card watching another channel on a different transponder. Also had mce working recording 1 channel and watching another on another transponder.

2005-10-31, 23:50	#7 (permalink)
bigal Portal Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gothenburg Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	the chips name is "Conexant BT878" http://www.twinhan.com/files/manual/2.606/English.zip page 7, under section 2.1.1 /BigAl

2005-11-01, 11:01	#8 (permalink)
danielpugh Portal Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2 CPU Type: amd64 3200+ Memory: 1gb ddr Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4 Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4 Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2 Video Card Driver: Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard Sound Card AC3: Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus TV Card Type: dvb-t TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7 Video Render Type: vmr9 Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter Audio Codec: dscaler Satelite/CableTV Provider: HTPC Case: accent ht400 Power Supply: elan evp-400 Remote: imon TV: acer al2671w TV - HTPC Connection: dvi thanks for that. I have checked out the manual, and can only assume that is related to the wdm drivers which definately dont work in tandem. i have definately had it working and here is a quote from another forum on graphing techniques http://forums.dvbowners.com/index.php?showtopic=2182 "I also notice that with these drivers you can have multicard operation, they seem to be able to exist in the same program instance without the major drama's of tunning eg, you can run two VP card filter chains within the same Graphedit. I notice though that it can do this on the first filter chain by unmapping the PSI pids on the demux that is feeding the Transport information filter when the second graph is tunned and it also stops the first Network provider Interface to the TIF preventing you from retuning the first cards filter chain."

2005-11-01, 12:20	#9 (permalink)
bigal Portal Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gothenburg Posts: 159 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Seems that is should work... =) But i want MY (notice, one card) to work with MP first, before they fix the dual tuner problem =) My card is a Twinhan DVB Cab-CI /BigAl

2005-11-01, 12:53	#10 (permalink)
danielpugh Portal Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 32 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Windows Version: windows xp pro sp2 CPU Type: amd64 3200+ Memory: 1gb ddr Motherboard: dfi lanparty ut nf4 Motherboard Chipset: nvidia nforce 4 Motherboard Bios: pheonix technologies ltd 6.00pg Video Card: sapphire x800 gto2 Video Card Driver: Sound Card: realtek ac97 onboard Sound Card AC3: Sound Card Driver: 5.10.0.5740 as supplied with motherboard TV Card: 2 x twinhan visionplus TV Card Type: dvb-t TV Card Driver: 1.2.2.7 Video Render Type: vmr9 Video Codec: mpeg2dec filter Audio Codec: dscaler Satelite/CableTV Provider: HTPC Case: accent ht400 Power Supply: elan evp-400 Remote: imon TV: acer al2671w TV - HTPC Connection: dvi what is your problem with it. perhaps i can help? one of mine is ci card