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Old 2008-04-19, 12:15   #1 (permalink)
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not a bug What's the HD-Option for?

What is the HD option in the installation process for? Does it install a codec?

The options should be better explained in the installation process!

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What is the HD option in the installation process for? Does it install a codec?

The options should be better explained in the installation process!
the installer is designed to be simple. the more text you add the more complexity you add.

by asking the user if he wants to watch HD-TV, the deploytool determins if the user needs the TV-Server or not.
  • Yes -> TV-Server is required
  • No/notsure -> let the user choose if he wants to use the TV-Server or only the TV-Engine which is part of MediaPortal
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Old 2008-04-19, 17:03   #3 (permalink)
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Why not directly ask the user if he wants to use the tv server ?

For example:

"Do you want to use the tv server ?"
(Note: This is not only interesting when using server/client setup.)

and a link referring to the detailed mediaportal/tv server comparison chart in the wiki

In my opinion the tv server offers much more than just the advantage of receiving dvb-s2.
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Why not directly ask the user if he wants to use the tv server ?
because this means that the user would have to know what the TV-Server is.

and since the term "server" allready confuses the majority of the endusers, we simply ask them what they want to do.
which then, leads tp the same result, without confusing the average-user with inbuild TVengine and TV-Server.
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Why not directly ask the user if he wants to use the tv server ?
because this means that the user would have to know what the TV-Server is.
that's why I suggested to add the link showing the differences and capabilities of each one

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and since the term "server" allready confuses the majority of the endusers, we simply ask them what they want to do.
which then, leads tp the same result, without confusing the average-user with inbuild TVengine and TV-Server.
I understand what mean,
but in the same time you may end up creating a little more confusion
by making the people think that the only advantage of the tvserver is viewing hdtv channels
whereas there are really a lot more ( TV-Engine 0.3/overview - MediaPortal Wiki Documentation)
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I understand what mean,
but in the same time you may end up creating a little more confusion
by making the people think that the only advantage of the tvserver is viewing hdtv channels
whereas there are really a lot more ( TV-Engine 0.3/overview - MediaPortal Wiki Documentation)
I think that if people specifically want to use the TV Server for the reasons other than hdtv, they are already versed enough in the functionality to KNOW that they need it.

Those who don't realize what the TV Server is for simply need to know "am I viewing HD"?

This is why there is an advanced option for installation, for those who know exactly what they need.
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I understand what mean,
but in the same time you may end up creating a little more confusion
by making the people think that the only advantage of the tvserver is viewing hdtv channels
whereas there are really a lot more ( TV-Engine 0.3/overview - MediaPortal Wiki Documentation)
why should the question "Do you want to watch HD-Channels" be confusing?????
its a simply question, isnt it?

and since i do not use the tere "TV-Server" anywhere, the user doesnt get confused.
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I understand what mean,
but in the same time you may end up creating a little more confusion
by making the people think that the only advantage of the tvserver is viewing hdtv channels
whereas there are really a lot more ( TV-Engine 0.3/overview - MediaPortal Wiki Documentation)
I think that if people specifically want to use the TV Server for the reasons other than hdtv, they are already versed enough in the functionality to KNOW that they need it.

Those who don't realize what the TV Server is for simply need to know "am I viewing HD"?

This is why there is an advanced option for installation, for those who know exactly what they need.
correct.

and if a users says "no i do not watch HD channels", then the deploytool describes him in detail which benefits the TV-Server has.



i would suggest that those who say "change that section" better take a very close look at all the directions you can go from that page.....
and keep in mind that the deploytool is designed for the average user.
we want it to be simple.
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Why not directly ask the user if he wants to use the tv server ?
because this means that the user would have to know what the TV-Server is.

and since the term "server" allready confuses the majority of the endusers, we simply ask them what they want to do.
which then, leads tp the same result, without confusing the average-user with inbuild TVengine and TV-Server.
You are absolutely right.

In my opinion the best thing would be to abandon the old tv engine because it was never a joy to use. Less options means lesser confusion. Simple like that.

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Backlash: There are still some that find "TVE2" to be the best choice. In particular people using analogue cards use TVE2 due to better PQ. I don't think we should ditch all those just because the reasons you give above.

Not everybody can get DTV in MP for different reasons.

Getting better PQ for analogue in TV server is WIP - hopefully MisterD will succeed; It has been stated that "TVE2" dies with this version of MP (read old news) - hopefully analogue users (like me) don't have to stop using MP. (I'd use it even with quality loss, but that does not go for many others, I believe).
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