Installed newest CVS: No TV-card found (SW)

[Spragleknas]

First of all: I know taht SW-cards is not "supported" på RC2, but mine worked PERFECTLY until this last CVS (previous CVS was about a-week-or-two; everything worked GREAT).

Updated the CVS to get ridd of the font-error.


One would think that newer CVS should support MORE HW, not less!!!
Can I "roll back" or somthing?


My tuner is a Medion 7134

[ronilse]

Hi,
Just saw that you had a HW card,

Regards
Roy

[csberto]

Originally Posted by Okay

First of all: I know taht SW-cards is not "supported" på RC2, but mine worked PERFECTLY until this last CVS (previous CVS was about a-week-or-two; everything worked GREAT).

Updated the CVS to get ridd of the font-error.


One would think that newer CVS should support MORE HW, not less!!!
Can I "roll back" or somthing?


My tuner is a Medion 7134

Had that too. Had to run setup and add my TV-card again.

[Spragleknas]

Setup (on newest CVS) coulden't find the card.

Extracted old CVS; no problem finding the SW card

[Marcusb]

I know it was great that software cards were unofficially supported but I think this was ruined by the number of users who came to the forums to bitch about the lack of functions with software cards (ie, timeshift etc).

There were lots of comments like "Well, Meedio does it, so why can't MP?" and over time I think the devs got sick of it.

The majority of users here are great, but the very small minority can be pretty vocal. They register, whine about the things that MP should be able to do if it was any good and then leave. Unfortunatly the damage is done, the devs lose a little bit more patience and eventually leave.

I may be wrong, but that is my understanding of why software cards were totally removed. On the up-side, it's a good excuse to buy yourself a nice new TV card ;-)

[Spragleknas]

Thats just plain stupid; Removing a function that works perfectly?

So I thave the following choices;
1. Buy a new HW-based TV-card (not gonna happen)
2. Having latest CVS with font-fix, but blank TV
3. Having old and buggy CVS and working TV

... or perhaps;
4. Making my own CVS mix... keeping whatever files that recognices my card (anybody know wich?).

.. or even;
5. Buying Meedio (not gonna happen - I think)

[Maschine]

Originally Posted by Okay

Thats just plain stupid; Removing a function that works perfectly?

Yeah, stupid indeed (sorry, but beat me to it :evil: ). When did the SW based cards ever work perfectly?

For example timeshift NEVER worked with sw cards. You say ok, I can live without timeshift, I just want to watch normal TV, no recordings, timeshifting etc. Well, that's fine and I know this situation very well: I have only the HTPC with a HW card while my desktop has a SW one that came with the PC.

But as mentioned above many users didn't understand this and asked for SW timeshifting every day or two, also with arguments like "watching works, why not recording, my XY software can do SW recording". So it was the only chance to remove SW card support completely and concentrate to the newer technologies like HW encoding and digital cards.

Though, I think, if there's an interested dev joining the team who concentrates on integrating a full SW card support and does his job well, there will be good chance that this feature will make it into CVS again...

So start coding ;-)

Maschine

[Spragleknas]

I am not a programer...

Even so; It's hard to see the logic of removing all support for SW based just 'couse some ppl whine....

Anyway; How can I keep "old" SW support, but use parts of new CVS (like the graph.bug fix?

[Maschine]

Originally Posted by Okay

I am not a programer...

Too bad for you...

Originally Posted by Okay

Even so; It's hard to see the logic of removing all support for SW based just 'couse some ppl whine....

No, actually it's not that hard.

Originally Posted by Okay

Anyway; How can I keep "old" SW support, but use parts of new CVS (like the graph.bug fix?

I wouldn't do a mix of versions as misfunctions are pretty sure then...

[Marcusb]

Originally Posted by Okay

3. Having old and buggy CVS and working TV

So, since you haven't the skills to program something yourself and don't want anything that you have to pay for then your choice is simple.

The only real bugs that I had with the easrlier cvs was the issue with tiny dots on top of one or two letters.
Given a choice of that or *any* TV, I know what I would put up with in your circumstances...

I'm sorry to sound harsh, but this is a prime example of what I was saying...