Stuttering live-tv with HVR-1300

sebrock · 2006-09-30, 14:41

Area: Media Portal Program
MediaPortal Version: 0.2.0.0 (2006-07-03)
MediaPortal Skin: BlueTwo
Windows Version: Windows MCE 2005 - SP2
.NET CLR Version: 2.0.50727
DirectX Version: 4.09.00.0904 (9.0c)
Audio Codec: MPA Decoder Filter
Video Codec: MPV
CPU Type: AMD Athlon 64 3500+
Memory: 447 MB
Motherboard: MS-7252 (MSI)
TV Card Model: Hauppauge HVR-1300
TV Card Type: Hardware
TV Card Driver: 2.5e
Video Card Model: Nvidia Geforce 6150 (256 MB)
Video Card Driver: Forceware 91.47
Video Card Resolution: 1360x768
Video Render Type: VMR9
Audio Card Model: Realtek High Definition Audio
Audio Card Driver: -
Synopsis::

I get stuttering when watching Live-TV (analogue). I have tried several different Hauppauge drivers with no success. I also tried different video codecs. The problem get worse when watching full screen. In MyTV it is OK, and also in the setup when scanning for channels it is OK.

I have also tried the tv-card using Microsoft Media Center and there it works flawless, no problems at all. It would be a real shame to go back to MCE because of this.

All other file-movies works great. I cannot understand the problem.
Please help. Unfortunately I can't use DVB here yet.

markr · 2006-09-30, 21:24

Sebrock

I have the same problem with a Nova-t 500. I have been searching round the web and found a whole heap of complaints about this card and the signal strength it needs for it to work smoothly. It seems as though the signal splitter on this card looses quite a lot of signal strength and the symptom seen on the PC is a stutter, intermittant sound and other inconsistent performances. I would therefore suggest that the same cause might be applicable on your system.

there are links to a Hauppauge distributed tool that will report the signal strength for you Tuner card allowing you to compare.

I have an Avermedia A16AR and a Hauppauge Nova-t 500 in the same system and the Avermedia card always shows 100% signal strength, the Nova-t (which is the same I think as your HVR1300 but without the Analogue options) shows 60-80% when I move the the same aerial between the cards.

I also get a BSOD when I enable both cards in MP 0.2.0.4 but that's a different issue, both work fine on their own, but I can't get 3 tuners at the moment.

Paranoid Delusion · 2006-09-30, 22:04

sebrock

Stick at least another 256 mb of ram or better 512mb That may solve your analogue problem.

markr

Have you installed the DVB multi tuner update. can cause your symtom.

sebrock · 2006-10-01, 02:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paranoid Delusion

sebrock

Stick at least another 256 mb of ram or better 512mb That may solve your analogue problem.

markr

Have you installed the DVB multi tuner update. can cause your symtom.

Well, why is it that it works perefctly in MCE with 512mb RAM?

What is this DVB multi tuner update you are telling me about? I only do analog for now...

---

Where can I get this signal strength app? I think I have the signal anyway because of it working perfectly in MCE...?

Taipan · 2006-10-01, 05:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by sebrock

I have tried several different Hauppauge drivers with no success. I also tried different video codecs. The problem get worse when watching full screen.

This suggestion might be completely off-track - but have you tried changing video card drivers? It looks like you have a recent version installed, but I recall seeing some comments from other users about rolling back to an earlier version of the Nvidia drivers to fix video stutter problems....

Worth a try?

sebrock · 2006-10-01, 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taipan

Quote:

Originally Posted by sebrock

I have tried several different Hauppauge drivers with no success. I also tried different video codecs. The problem get worse when watching full screen.

This suggestion might be completely off-track - but have you tried changing video card drivers? It looks like you have a recent version installed, but I recall seeing some comments from other users about rolling back to an earlier version of the Nvidia drivers to fix video stutter problems....

Worth a try?

I will give this a try. I will also check with another application (like WinTV) and see if it stutters there as well.

Still I would like to know why it works so good in MCE and so bad in MP? Nobody has anu suggestions to this?

sebrock · 2006-10-01, 16:02

I did everything I possibly could. It works good now, both in timeshift and without. But right now I have not yet configured the EPG ( I heard that could cause problems?).

The things I know that I did was:

-Totally disable Cool 'n quiet (both BIOS and Power Management)

-Re-download the dlatest driver CD.

-Totally uninstall with Hauppauge tool and remove card from mobo.

-Registry clean

-Installing everything again. This time including the radio-FM part. Dunno if this caused any problems before.

Something of the above fixed my stutteringproblem. Thanks for all tips anyway.

Oh ONE question remains: I have a small black boarder on the vertical sides of the screen. The tv-picture is not stretched fully to the sides. This is also only in MP. Any suggestions on how to fine-tune this?

dman_lfc · 2006-10-02, 10:37

With the latest SVN you can use 'crop settings'.
Via configuration edit the card and you'll see it there.
Ensure the framesize is set appropriately first i.e. PAL 720x576.

The standard crop settings are 8 left & right if you receive a 704x576 broadcast.

Otherwise it's trial & error until you get it how you want.

DMAN

ziphnor · 2006-10-03, 21:46

Your stuttering might have been related to Cool&Quiet. I had problems with stuttering video which cleared up after disabling Cool&Quiet.

2006-09-30, 14:41	#1 (permalink)
sebrock Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 27 Posts: 89 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stuttering live-tv with HVR-1300 Area: Media Portal Program MediaPortal Version: 0.2.0.0 (2006-07-03) MediaPortal Skin: BlueTwo Windows Version: Windows MCE 2005 - SP2 .NET CLR Version: 2.0.50727 DirectX Version: 4.09.00.0904 (9.0c) Audio Codec: MPA Decoder Filter Video Codec: MPV CPU Type: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Memory: 447 MB Motherboard: MS-7252 (MSI) TV Card Model: Hauppauge HVR-1300 TV Card Type: Hardware TV Card Driver: 2.5e Video Card Model: Nvidia Geforce 6150 (256 MB) Video Card Driver: Forceware 91.47 Video Card Resolution: 1360x768 Video Render Type: VMR9 Audio Card Model: Realtek High Definition Audio Audio Card Driver: - Synopsis:: I get stuttering when watching Live-TV (analogue). I have tried several different Hauppauge drivers with no success. I also tried different video codecs. The problem get worse when watching full screen. In MyTV it is OK, and also in the setup when scanning for channels it is OK. I have also tried the tv-card using Microsoft Media Center and there it works flawless, no problems at all. It would be a real shame to go back to MCE because of this. All other file-movies works great. I cannot understand the problem. Please help. Unfortunately I can't use DVB here yet. Last edited by sebrock; 2006-10-01 at 16:03.

2006-09-30, 22:04	#3 (permalink)
Paranoid Delusion Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cheshire UK Posts: 5,435 Thanks: 75 Thanked 153 Times in 139 Posts Country: My System	sebrock Stick at least another 256 mb of ram or better 512mb That may solve your analogue problem. markr Have you installed the DVB multi tuner update. can cause your symtom. __________________ Ray\PD Check your codecs are fine with Filmerit. XP\Vista known issues FOR FULL SUPPORT PLEASE GIVE USER SPECIFICATIONS AND RELEVANT LOG's as per HERE

2006-10-02, 10:37	#8 (permalink)
dman_lfc Portal Manager Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,635 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts Country: My System	With the latest SVN you can use 'crop settings'. Via configuration edit the card and you'll see it there. Ensure the framesize is set appropriately first i.e. PAL 720x576. The standard crop settings are 8 left & right if you receive a 704x576 broadcast. Otherwise it's trial & error until you get it how you want. DMAN __________________ Hardware: Core2 Duo 3.0GHz, Nvidia 8500GS (256MB), 1GB DDR2, Intel DG33TL MB, 2x FireDTV DVB-S2 cards & Nova 500-T in a Antec Fusion case with VFD & iMon remote. Software: Windows XP MCE2005, PureVideo codecs & Cyberlink PowerDVD 7.x codecs.

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2006-09-30, 21:24	#2 (permalink)
markr Portal Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: south UK Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sebrock I have the same problem with a Nova-t 500. I have been searching round the web and found a whole heap of complaints about this card and the signal strength it needs for it to work smoothly. It seems as though the signal splitter on this card looses quite a lot of signal strength and the symptom seen on the PC is a stutter, intermittant sound and other inconsistent performances. I would therefore suggest that the same cause might be applicable on your system. there are links to a Hauppauge distributed tool that will report the signal strength for you Tuner card allowing you to compare. I have an Avermedia A16AR and a Hauppauge Nova-t 500 in the same system and the Avermedia card always shows 100% signal strength, the Nova-t (which is the same I think as your HVR1300 but without the Analogue options) shows 60-80% when I move the the same aerial between the cards. I also get a BSOD when I enable both cards in MP 0.2.0.4 but that's a different issue, both work fine on their own, but I can't get 3 tuners at the moment.

2006-10-01, 16:02	#7 (permalink)
sebrock Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 27 Posts: 89 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I did everything I possibly could. It works good now, both in timeshift and without. But right now I have not yet configured the EPG ( I heard that could cause problems?). The things I know that I did was: -Totally disable Cool 'n quiet (both BIOS and Power Management) -Re-download the dlatest driver CD. -Totally uninstall with Hauppauge tool and remove card from mobo. -Registry clean -Installing everything again. This time including the radio-FM part. Dunno if this caused any problems before. Something of the above fixed my stutteringproblem. Thanks for all tips anyway. Oh ONE question remains: I have a small black boarder on the vertical sides of the screen. The tv-picture is not stretched fully to the sides. This is also only in MP. Any suggestions on how to fine-tune this?

2006-10-03, 21:46	#9 (permalink)
ziphnor Portal Developer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Copenhagen Age: 29 Posts: 709 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts Country: My System	Your stuttering might have been related to Cool&Quiet. I had problems with stuttering video which cleared up after disabling Cool&Quiet.