Multiple TvService Instances on the same machine - Page 2

infinityloop · 2007-09-18, 23:50

could anyone please enlighten me, why i would want to have 2 instances of TV-Server on the same PC?

Paranoid Delusion · 2007-09-19, 00:08

Quote:

could anyone please enlighten me, why i would want to have 2 instances of TV-Server on the same PC?

My thoughts exactly when i read this topic, why!

heerfordt · 2007-09-19, 00:14

Hi Chris.

Flexibility is allways good :-)

The main reason would be to make the TvService more flexible and give people the opportunity to test a multiserver setup on a single machine.:-) My guess is that its very few people that has tried the multi server setup, and therefore it properly contains a few bugs.. this would help increasing the quality.

Secoundly I dont like that its not possible to change the TvService Control port (31456) through configuration :-(

A third thing and very hush hush The real reason: .... It enables MultiTuner support for the MDAPI filter

. This can currently only be achieved by dedicating a TvServer pr. Tuner. I wont go into further details because its not appropriate to discuss it in public at this forum. Go to DVBN, if you want to know more.

I have submitted my code changes, on the team mediaportal patch site Patch submittion

Regards,
Heerfordt

infinityloop · 2007-09-19, 08:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by heerfordt

The main reason would be to make the TvService more flexible and give people the opportunity to test a multiserver setup on a single machine.:-) My guess is that its very few people that has tried the multi server setup, and therefore it properly contains a few bugs.. this would help increasing the quality.

Master Slave configurations should be tested in the enviroment it will be used. so on 2 PCs connected to a LAN.
installing on one PC is just opening the door for more werid trouble and confusing the endusers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by heerfordt

Secoundly I dont like that its not possible to change the TvService Control port (31456) through configuration :-(

thats nice to have. but is not related to the number of instances

Quote:

Originally Posted by heerfordt

It enables MultiTuner support for the MDAPI filter

. This can currently only be achieved by dedicating a TvServer pr. Tuner. I wont go into further details because its not appropriate to discuss it in public at this forum. Go to DVBN, if you want to know more.

i knew that this would be the real reason

someone should better "fix" that filter, instead of doing major changes to the TV-Server as workaround for the flaws of that filter.

heerfordt · 2007-09-19, 08:36

Hi Chris,

The problem is not located in the filter, because its able to handle more than one tuner at the moment. The problem lies in the actuelle MDAPI plugin you use, they can not be loaded more than once in the same process.. besides from that seperate configuration is pr. tuner.

If I think long and hard I could properly find more good agruments to why this is a good idea.. but it might be better if we gave the people to opporunity and they could find the purpose

Time will tell, I have submitted the changes on the Portal's patch site... maybe its going to be approved or maybe it's not.

Regards.
Heerfordt.

heerfordt · 2007-09-19, 23:03

Hi Chris.

I found another solution, that dosent involve having to changes anything in the TeamMediaPortal TvServer.

I have made some important changes in the PluginHandler so now it should be possible to use the MDAPI on mulitple tuners without having a deticated TvService pr. tuner.

But I still would like to have the TvService more flexible

Rgs.
Heerfordt.

infinityloop · 2007-09-20, 07:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by heerfordt

I have made some important changes in the PluginHandler so now it should be possible to use the MDAPI on mulitple tuners without having a deticated TvService pr. tuner.

sounds cool. especialy because the setup will be easier for the enduser then i guess.

lkuech · 2007-09-20, 11:27

Hi heerfordt.

That sounds like a much better approach to me. Can you please share the source changes for the plugin manager improvements as well (I guess it makes sense to keep this changes independent from the multiple instance changes). Hopefully someone from our tv server developers can free some time to have a look at it.

Thx

Lars

gibman · 2007-09-20, 11:29

The changes seems to be in agarwal's directshow filter solely.

/Gibman

lkuech · 2007-09-20, 12:26

Oh.. ok... than I misunderstood something. I was thinking that the mentioned "PluginHandler" is a part of the tvserver...

Bye
Lars

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2007-09-18, 23:50	#11 (permalink)
infinityloop Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 127.0.0.1 Age: 29 Posts: 6,405 Thanks: 183 Thanked 146 Times in 101 Posts Country: My System	could anyone please enlighten me, why i would want to have 2 instances of TV-Server on the same PC? __________________ regards chris MediaPortal Project Coordinator Test Team Leader Do not start to moan if something is not working as you want it to be. Remember that MediaPortal is Open Source. YOU can improve it!

2007-09-19, 23:03	#16 (permalink)
heerfordt Portal Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Another solution Hi Chris. I found another solution, that dosent involve having to changes anything in the TeamMediaPortal TvServer. I have made some important changes in the PluginHandler so now it should be possible to use the MDAPI on mulitple tuners without having a deticated TvService pr. tuner. But I still would like to have the TvService more flexible Rgs. Heerfordt.

2007-09-20, 11:27	#18 (permalink)
lkuech Portal Developer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hamburg Age: 35 Posts: 575 Thanks: 34 Thanked 51 Times in 21 Posts Country: My System	Hi heerfordt. That sounds like a much better approach to me. Can you please share the source changes for the plugin manager improvements as well (I guess it makes sense to keep this changes independent from the multiple instance changes). Hopefully someone from our tv server developers can free some time to have a look at it. Thx Lars __________________ Using a wide screen and tired of changing the aspect ratio via remote all the time? Use the ViewModeSwitcher Plugin and everything is working automatically. Are you able to find your home in MediaPortal? Yes you are! With the WorldMap plugin!

2007-09-20, 11:29	#19 (permalink)
gibman Portal Developer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Aarhus Posts: 741 Thanks: 4 Thanked 75 Times in 52 Posts Country: My System	The changes seems to be in agarwal's directshow filter solely. /Gibman __________________ "It's all a big foodchain. We eat shit and shit eats us."

2007-09-19, 00:14	#13 (permalink)
heerfordt Portal Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Chris. Flexibility is allways good :-) The main reason would be to make the TvService more flexible and give people the opportunity to test a multiserver setup on a single machine.:-) My guess is that its very few people that has tried the multi server setup, and therefore it properly contains a few bugs.. this would help increasing the quality. Secoundly I dont like that its not possible to change the TvService Control port (31456) through configuration :-( A third thing and very hush hush The real reason: .... It enables MultiTuner support for the MDAPI filter . This can currently only be achieved by dedicating a TvServer pr. Tuner. I wont go into further details because its not appropriate to discuss it in public at this forum. Go to DVBN, if you want to know more. I have submitted my code changes, on the team mediaportal patch site Patch submittion Regards, Heerfordt

2007-09-19, 08:36	#15 (permalink)
heerfordt Portal Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Chris, The problem is not located in the filter, because its able to handle more than one tuner at the moment. The problem lies in the actuelle MDAPI plugin you use, they can not be loaded more than once in the same process.. besides from that seperate configuration is pr. tuner. If I think long and hard I could properly find more good agruments to why this is a good idea.. but it might be better if we gave the people to opporunity and they could find the purpose Time will tell, I have submitted the changes on the Portal's patch site... maybe its going to be approved or maybe it's not. Regards. Heerfordt.

2007-09-20, 12:26	#20 (permalink)
lkuech Portal Developer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hamburg Age: 35 Posts: 575 Thanks: 34 Thanked 51 Times in 21 Posts Country: My System	Oh.. ok... than I misunderstood something. I was thinking that the mentioned "PluginHandler" is a part of the tvserver... Bye Lars __________________ Using a wide screen and tired of changing the aspect ratio via remote all the time? Use the ViewModeSwitcher Plugin and everything is working automatically. Are you able to find your home in MediaPortal? Yes you are! With the WorldMap plugin!

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