Improved Weekly / Daily recording algorithm - Page 2

rtv · 2007-03-13, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvdfreak

I'd be happy (time permitting) to add this to the scheduler.

Great! For specific questions your direct person to ask would be Broceliande/Broce who did the conflict management / scheduling stuff.

Would be nice to see something getting real out of this (please read the threads linked by paloema for the background)!

dvdfreak · 2007-03-14, 07:56

I'll try to make time to follow this up :-) All in all, the change should be manageable.

The only thing that would make it somewhat more work is the fact if it's OK to modify the 'Weekly' / 'Daily' algorithm, or if it would be preferable to add new 'All Weekly Episodes' and 'All Daily Episodes' recording options.

Considering that the algorithm only works if you have an EPG to begin with, it might be over the top to "overwrite" the current 'Daily' and 'Weekly' modes. Perhaps there are people that actually use these as is today, and would be very unhappy if they were changed (or as far as they would be concerned: removed).

So adding two new recording options might be the best way to go.

rtv · 2007-03-14, 09:22

yeah - it's just a job of the translators to make the existing options a little more outstanding like "daily at this time".

"All daily episodes" would be wrong btw. Either it would be the same as "Everytime on .. same channel/everywhere" or you didn't consider e.g. an earlier season which is repeated in the morning whereas the wanted season's episode is broadcasted in the evening. A user would think "All daily episodes" does record both...

Maybe something like "daily around this time"? Hm.. need to think a little about this since we already have quite many options there...

dvdfreak · 2007-03-14, 09:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtv

"All daily episodes" would be wrong btw. Either it would be the same as "Everytime on .. same channel/everywhere" or you didn't consider e.g. an earlier season which is repeated in the morning whereas the wanted season's episode is broadcasted in the evening. A user would think "All daily episodes" does record both...

Quite right! My suggestion was not a very good one :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtv

Maybe something like "daily around this time"? Hm.. need to think a little about this since we already have quite many options there...

Yes, it's not obvious to find a short but clear name for this.

'Weekly Timeslot'

'Smart Weekly'

'This program weekly'

...

The_Stig · 2007-03-14, 14:57

How about 'about'? :-)

Weekly about this time...daily about this time...

And whats with a second context menu after choosing "record every day/week" or "record mo-fr [or sa/su]" with the following, new options "Record exactly at that time" and "Record about that time".

But I see rtv's point too...very much options already there. But imho for recordings more options are always good news :-)

SuAlfons · 2007-03-14, 22:31

Hi!

This is I have been waiting for!

All I can bring into it would be a name suggestion:

"weekly / daily TIME" for the fixed time recording
"weekly / daily PROGRAMME" or "weekly / daily EPISODE" for the smart thing

Greetings,
Stefan aka SuAlfons

Maschine · 2007-03-15, 07:22

Hey guys,

I appreciate this discussion very much, as the series scheduling was and is something that made MP incompatible to the german TV system (with weekly changing start times)

I wonder why you think about adding two different modes... If the series you want to record always starts at the same time every week, I think the "new" scheduler will do exactly what the "old" does now: record in exact that timeslot that the first episode was scheduled in. And if the start time varies, the new scheduler beats the old by caring about that change itself. So from my point I'd just go for one option! Or am I missing something?

Maschine

The_Stig · 2007-03-15, 08:15

Maschine,

I think the point was that maybe some ppl dont use any EPG-Info and with the new logic we would make it impossible for them to do any of their recordings.

But if I think about it, don't they already have to trigger a manual recording then, if no EPG-Data is there? If so, then you'd be correct.

Regards,

Paloema

dvdfreak · 2007-03-15, 08:20

Yes, if you consider things, without an EPG one would use a manual recording anyway. One would never use the current 'Daily' or 'Weekly', or are we overlooking something?

Because in that case it would indeed be better to replace the current two options with the new smarter ones. And subsequently change the translations from 'Weekly/Daily' to 'Weekly/Daily around this time'.

Maschine · 2007-03-15, 08:26

Paloema,

exactly, if there is no EPG data at all a manual schedule is needed anyway. And if the first episode was scheduled with EPG and just the following week(s) is/are missing EPG data the scheduler could work this way:

-search for the exact program name at the exact scheduled time
->it's there: record
->not there: continue

-search for the program name in a timeslot of +-30 minutes, calculate a weight from the program title and the difference to the original start time and select the program with the best matching
->found a program with at least x% matching: record
->else fall back to the original start time

2007-03-14, 09:22	#13 (permalink)
rtv Portal Developer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Osnabruck Posts: 2,512 Thanks: 83 Thanked 95 Times in 69 Posts Country: My System	yeah - it's just a job of the translators to make the existing options a little more outstanding like "daily at this time". "All daily episodes" would be wrong btw. Either it would be the same as "Everytime on .. same channel/everywhere" or you didn't consider e.g. an earlier season which is repeated in the morning whereas the wanted season's episode is broadcasted in the evening. A user would think "All daily episodes" does record both... Maybe something like "daily around this time"? Hm.. need to think a little about this since we already have quite many options there... __________________ My amazon wishlist - that stuff might help me to improve MediaPortal

2007-03-14, 14:57	#15 (permalink)
The_Stig Portal Tester Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 702 Thanks: 14 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My System	How about 'about'? :-) Weekly about this time...daily about this time... And whats with a second context menu after choosing "record every day/week" or "record mo-fr [or sa/su]" with the following, new options "Record exactly at that time" and "Record about that time". But I see rtv's point too...very much options already there. But imho for recordings more options are always good news :-) Last edited by The_Stig; 2007-03-14 at 15:27.

2007-03-14, 22:31	#16 (permalink)
SuAlfons Portal Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi! This is I have been waiting for! All I can bring into it would be a name suggestion: "weekly / daily TIME" for the fixed time recording "weekly / daily PROGRAMME" or "weekly / daily EPISODE" for the smart thing Greetings, Stefan aka SuAlfons __________________ -- Viele Grüße, Stefan

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2007-03-14, 07:56	#12 (permalink)
dvdfreak Portal Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 522 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 16 Posts Country: My System	I'll try to make time to follow this up :-) All in all, the change should be manageable. The only thing that would make it somewhat more work is the fact if it's OK to modify the 'Weekly' / 'Daily' algorithm, or if it would be preferable to add new 'All Weekly Episodes' and 'All Daily Episodes' recording options. Considering that the algorithm only works if you have an EPG to begin with, it might be over the top to "overwrite" the current 'Daily' and 'Weekly' modes. Perhaps there are people that actually use these as is today, and would be very unhappy if they were changed (or as far as they would be concerned: removed). So adding two new recording options might be the best way to go.

2007-03-15, 07:22	#17 (permalink)
Maschine Portal Developer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 493 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Country:	Hey guys, I appreciate this discussion very much, as the series scheduling was and is something that made MP incompatible to the german TV system (with weekly changing start times) I wonder why you think about adding two different modes... If the series you want to record always starts at the same time every week, I think the "new" scheduler will do exactly what the "old" does now: record in exact that timeslot that the first episode was scheduled in. And if the start time varies, the new scheduler beats the old by caring about that change itself. So from my point I'd just go for one option! Or am I missing something? Maschine

2007-03-15, 08:15	#18 (permalink)
The_Stig Portal Tester Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 702 Thanks: 14 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My System	Maschine, I think the point was that maybe some ppl dont use any EPG-Info and with the new logic we would make it impossible for them to do any of their recordings. But if I think about it, don't they already have to trigger a manual recording then, if no EPG-Data is there? If so, then you'd be correct. Regards, Paloema

2007-03-15, 08:20	#19 (permalink)
dvdfreak Portal Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 522 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 16 Posts Country: My System	Yes, if you consider things, without an EPG one would use a manual recording anyway. One would never use the current 'Daily' or 'Weekly', or are we overlooking something? Because in that case it would indeed be better to replace the current two options with the new smarter ones. And subsequently change the translations from 'Weekly/Daily' to 'Weekly/Daily around this time'.

2007-03-15, 08:26	#20 (permalink)
Maschine Portal Developer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 493 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Country:	Paloema, exactly, if there is no EPG data at all a manual schedule is needed anyway. And if the first episode was scheduled with EPG and just the following week(s) is/are missing EPG data the scheduler could work this way: -search for the exact program name at the exact scheduled time ->it's there: record ->not there: continue -search for the program name in a timeslot of +-30 minutes, calculate a weight from the program title and the difference to the original start time and select the program with the best matching ->found a program with at least x% matching: record ->else fall back to the original start time