Hauppauge HVR-1800 not detected

RamonS · 2007-10-19, 03:03

TV-Server Version: n/a?
MediaPortal Version: 0.2.3 RC3 SVN build 16281
MediaPortal Skin: default
Windows Version: XPSP2
CPU Type: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+
HDD: Seagate 320GB SATA2 RAID1
Memory: 2 GB
Motherboard: Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe
Motherboard Chipset: NVIDIA nForce® 570 SLI™ MCP
Motherboard Bios: 1203
Video Card: eVGA 7600GT 256MB PCIe 16x
Video Card Driver: latest
Sound Card: SoundMax HD onboard
Sound Card AC3: ?
Sound Card Driver: latest from Asus
1. TV Card: Hauppauge HVR-1800
1. TV Card Type: PCIe 1x, NTSC/ATSC/QAM/FM
1. TV Card Driver: latest from Hauppuage CD 3.4d1
MPEG2 Video Codec: ?
MPEG2 Audio Codec: ?
Satelite/CableTV Provider: TW
Cooling: AMD CPU cooler, 2x 80mm, 1x 120mm case fans, chipset cooling via heatpipe, chipset fan for VGA card
Power Supply: 550W Rosewell

Note: The portions with ? are not out of ignorance, but I do not know how to obtain that information.

Problem: Even with the latest nighly SVN build the HVR-1800 is not detected as a capture card in the configuration. And that puts an end to using MediaPortal right there.

All logs that I could find are attached. And yes, I did search the forum (but gave up after going through dozens of pages of "results"), the wiki, the manual, the web, the docs, and my sock drawer. The card works fine with WinTV 6 / 2k, SageTV (trial), and BeyondTV (trial).

Let me know if you need to know anything else or have me try something. Since it doesn't work we can't break anything either.

Thanks in advance!

farmertom · 2007-10-19, 05:03

Hi,
Last I checked the hvr-1800 card is not listed in the CaptureCardDefintions.xml file. That is where your card gets detected. I have a hvr-1800 and had to add the definitions to the file. I only use the ASTC tuner on my hvr-1800. below is my is a link to my hack at the settings. Good luck...

http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/ha...rt-t28504.html

farmertom

Commodore 64 · 2007-10-19, 13:52

Please follow these instructions: http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/Add...supported_list

edit: Looks like farmertom already did that for you. Nice Job.

RamonS · 2007-10-26, 03:37

OK, I finally got around to take a go at this. The results are disappointing. I copied FarmerTom's XML section into the CaptureCardDefinitions.xml, but the capture card is still not detected.
I also looked at the instructions on how to add cards and for the life of me I can't figure those instructions out. There are steps missing as it seems and the many "should" in there don't really make me trust the directions that much. I also found that the information asked for ended up to be always the same string. I totally lost it when it was about dragging something (what?) to the workspace and do a bunch of funky stuff with the pins. I did this using 0.2.2.0 as well as 0.2.3.0RC3 and neither one works out.
I wonder if there is a way to extract the information from GraphEdit and then parse out what is needed (or what looks likely and have the user choose) and then stuff that into the CaptureCardDefinitions.xml.
Other than that, my new FireFly remote works great with Media-Portal on both XP 32 bit and XP 64 bit. Would be nice if I could find a replacement for WinTV, which works, but has about 6 functions (on/off/ch+/ch-/vol+/vol-) and doesn't really work well with my new remote.

Life would be boring if stuff is easy.

farmertom · 2007-10-27, 15:20

Sorry you are having troubles with your hvr-1800. I have attached my CaptureCardDefinitions.xml file. Rename your old file and copy this one to the same MP directory. Maybe you copied the defintions to the wrong space, Not sure

You are adding the card in the setup program? just checking...

Good Luck!
farmertom

dman_lfc · 2007-10-27, 17:09

HVR-1800 support for ATSC OTA & NTSC is in SVN 16370 or later.
Note: If you want QAM support you need TVServer.

DMAN

RamonS · 2007-10-29, 00:01

Hi!
First of all, thank you both for your help. I tried both farmertom's xml as well as the SVN build 16374. Both find the ATSC tuner without problem and can tune channels, which I can view in MP no problem (except for the SVN build freezing when maximizing the window, audio still goes). I also tried farmertom's xml on the SVN build 16374.
The original xml from the SVN build also correctly identifies the NTSC tuner, but when I select it as a capture card I get the error "Unable to create graph for this device!!" twice before getting into the Properties, which lack the Autotune tab. Manually adding a channel and assigning that to the NTSC card fails, which didn't really surprise me.
I then took the svn build 16374 xml, saved it, and installed it with the current stable release of MP. Same deal here, ATSC works fine, FM radio as well (which I haven't seen in the SVN build, but I didn't really look either*), NTSC analog cable is zip.
On first sight, I cannot make out any drastic differences between the sections of the two XMLs. What is different is the commercial name, the interface line, and the way how the tags are formed in farmertom's xml. I did not test the different tag formatting as the tagging in the SVN build strikes me to be more following the official XML, e.g.
farmertom:
<capabilities tv="true" radio="true" mpeg2="true" mce="true" sw="false" bda="false"/>
svn 16374:
<capabilities tv="true" radio="false" mpeg2="true" mce="false" sw="false" bda="true"></capabilities>

Anything I can do to help to make that graph be able to be created for the analog tuner/ capture? Is there maybe somehting missing in my system? What can I check and report on? It may help that I learn what a graph is in regards to PC TV.
Also, where should I report the issues with the screen maximizing problem? Yea, I probably should read the release notes or such. Will do.

In any case, thank you very much for all your help. I am sure that once 0.2.3 is released the problems will be ironed out.

* I just noted that the SVN build 16374 xml has the radio set to disabled, which is correct for some models of the HVR-1800, but not for all. I guess I get FM configuration options when I set radio to true on the analog tuner.

dman_lfc · 2007-10-29, 08:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by RamonS

The original xml from the SVN build also correctly identifies the NTSC tuner, but when I select it as a capture card I get the error "Unable to create graph for this device!!" twice before getting into the Properties, which lack the Autotune tab. Manually adding a channel and assigning that to the NTSC card fails, which didn't really surprise me.
I just noted that the SVN build 16374 xml has the radio set to disabled, which is correct for some models of the HVR-1800, but not for all. I guess I get FM configuration options when I set radio to true on the analog tuner.

Hrmm, send me the info as outlined here...
http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/ge...you-t1573.html

Also for your version of the card, radio="true".

DMAN

farmertom · 2007-10-30, 00:21

RamonS
Glad you got the ASTC tuner working. Please do not use my NSTC definitions for the hvr-1800, they DO NOT work, as you are finding out. Sorry I could not help more.

farmertom

RamonS · 2007-10-30, 01:16

Thanks dman and farmertom! Dman, I emailed you something, but I have no idea if it is anything useful. I was tempted to expand all nodes in the Insert Filter window and screenshot everything, but I guess the interesting parts would be burried in tons of garbage.
Let me know if I didn't do it right and let me know what exactly is needed. I don't complain or whine or demand anything, but for someone who is new to the whole idea of graphs, filters, and the like the instructions are not very detailed. I'd write up some better ones if I'd just know what the talk is about.
I apologize in advance.

What I can do is craft a help file (I'm a tech writer) or do translations to German (don't know any other language besides English).

OK, enough of my blubbering...and thanks a million again!

2007-10-19, 05:03	#2 (permalink)
farmertom Portal Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Country:	hauppuage hvr-1800 support Hi, Last I checked the hvr-1800 card is not listed in the CaptureCardDefintions.xml file. That is where your card gets detected. I have a hvr-1800 and had to add the definitions to the file. I only use the ASTC tuner on my hvr-1800. below is my is a link to my hack at the settings. Good luck... http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/ha...rt-t28504.html farmertom

2007-10-19, 13:52	#3 (permalink)
Commodore 64 Retired Team Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 326 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Country:	Please follow these instructions: http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/Add...supported_list edit: Looks like farmertom already did that for you. Nice Job. __________________ P4 3.0e, Asus i865PE mobo, 1GB pc3200, 6600GT, HDhomerun A64 3200+, 7800GTX, 1.5 GB pc3200 HDHomerun Last edited by Commodore 64; 2007-10-19 at 14:03.

2007-10-27, 17:09	#6 (permalink)
dman_lfc Portal Manager Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,635 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts Country: My System	HVR-1800 support for ATSC OTA & NTSC is in SVN 16370 or later. Note: If you want QAM support you need TVServer. DMAN __________________ Hardware: Core2 Duo 3.0GHz, Nvidia 8500GS (256MB), 1GB DDR2, Intel DG33TL MB, 2x FireDTV DVB-S2 cards & Nova 500-T in a Antec Fusion case with VFD & iMon remote. Software: Windows XP MCE2005, PureVideo codecs & Cyberlink PowerDVD 7.x codecs.

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2007-10-26, 03:37	#4 (permalink)
RamonS Portal Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 30 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK, I finally got around to take a go at this. The results are disappointing. I copied FarmerTom's XML section into the CaptureCardDefinitions.xml, but the capture card is still not detected. I also looked at the instructions on how to add cards and for the life of me I can't figure those instructions out. There are steps missing as it seems and the many "should" in there don't really make me trust the directions that much. I also found that the information asked for ended up to be always the same string. I totally lost it when it was about dragging something (what?) to the workspace and do a bunch of funky stuff with the pins. I did this using 0.2.2.0 as well as 0.2.3.0RC3 and neither one works out. I wonder if there is a way to extract the information from GraphEdit and then parse out what is needed (or what looks likely and have the user choose) and then stuff that into the CaptureCardDefinitions.xml. Other than that, my new FireFly remote works great with Media-Portal on both XP 32 bit and XP 64 bit. Would be nice if I could find a replacement for WinTV, which works, but has about 6 functions (on/off/ch+/ch-/vol+/vol-) and doesn't really work well with my new remote. Life would be boring if stuff is easy.

2007-10-29, 00:01	#7 (permalink)
RamonS Portal Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 30 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi! First of all, thank you both for your help. I tried both farmertom's xml as well as the SVN build 16374. Both find the ATSC tuner without problem and can tune channels, which I can view in MP no problem (except for the SVN build freezing when maximizing the window, audio still goes). I also tried farmertom's xml on the SVN build 16374. The original xml from the SVN build also correctly identifies the NTSC tuner, but when I select it as a capture card I get the error "Unable to create graph for this device!!" twice before getting into the Properties, which lack the Autotune tab. Manually adding a channel and assigning that to the NTSC card fails, which didn't really surprise me. I then took the svn build 16374 xml, saved it, and installed it with the current stable release of MP. Same deal here, ATSC works fine, FM radio as well (which I haven't seen in the SVN build, but I didn't really look either), NTSC analog cable is zip. On first sight, I cannot make out any drastic differences between the sections of the two XMLs. What is different is the commercial name, the interface line, and the way how the tags are formed in farmertom's xml. I did not test the different tag formatting as the tagging in the SVN build strikes me to be more following the official XML, e.g. farmertom: <capabilities tv="true" radio="true" mpeg2="true" mce="true" sw="false" bda="false"/> svn 16374: <capabilities tv="true" radio="false" mpeg2="true" mce="false" sw="false" bda="true"></capabilities> Anything I can do to help to make that graph be able to be created for the analog tuner/ capture? Is there maybe somehting missing in my system? What can I check and report on? It may help that I learn what a graph is in regards to PC TV. Also, where should I report the issues with the screen maximizing problem? Yea, I probably should read the release notes or such. Will do. In any case, thank you very much for all your help. I am sure that once 0.2.3 is released the problems will be ironed out. I just noted that the SVN build 16374 xml has the radio set to disabled, which is correct for some models of the HVR-1800, but not for all. I guess I get FM configuration options when I set radio to true on the analog tuner.

2007-10-30, 00:21	#9 (permalink)
farmertom Portal Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Country:	RamonS Glad you got the ASTC tuner working. Please do not use my NSTC definitions for the hvr-1800, they DO NOT work, as you are finding out. Sorry I could not help more. farmertom

2007-10-30, 01:16	#10 (permalink)
RamonS Portal Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 30 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks dman and farmertom! Dman, I emailed you something, but I have no idea if it is anything useful. I was tempted to expand all nodes in the Insert Filter window and screenshot everything, but I guess the interesting parts would be burried in tons of garbage. Let me know if I didn't do it right and let me know what exactly is needed. I don't complain or whine or demand anything, but for someone who is new to the whole idea of graphs, filters, and the like the instructions are not very detailed. I'd write up some better ones if I'd just know what the talk is about. I apologize in advance. What I can do is craft a help file (I'm a tech writer) or do translations to German (don't know any other language besides English). OK, enough of my blubbering...and thanks a million again!