MyTV deletes timeshifted material when changing a channel

Ralph · 2005-08-31, 19:41

MP Version: 0.1.3 CVS 30.08.2005
Skin: Default
Windows Version: xp prof sp2
CPU Type: Celeron 2,4 GHz
Memory: 512MB DDR
Motherboard ASUS P4Pdeluxe
Video Card: ATI Radeon 9200
Video Card Driver: Catalyst 5.5
Video Render Type: VMR9 renderless
Video Codec Type & Version: Intervideo 4
Audio Codec Type & Version: Intervideo audio decoder
TV Card: Hauppauge PVR-350
TV Card Type: Hardware
TV Card Driver: latest version

Synopsis:

Last CVS works very solid an quit well, but when changing a channel,
timeshifted material has gone away.
MyTV just buffers the current channel and always deletes the buffer when changing channels.

Regards
Ralph

tomtom21000 · 2005-08-31, 22:07

This behaviour isn´t really new, is it?
It is perhaps my "fault" that mp behaves like that, because I requested it 9 month ago.
If you switch channels, it seems to be natural, that you are no more interested in the previous channel, so why keep the timeshift buffer?
Obviously, this seems to be different for you?

tomtom

Ralph · 2005-09-01, 15:55

Two weeks are quit new to me.
This behaviour just comes up with one of the latest cvs, means this change was made within about the last two weeks.
I loved the way timeshift worked in Media Portal.
Because I don't have a zapping plan for watching TV, It's good to know, that I can rewind every time I'd liked to and watch every channel I've zapped through.
And when changing a channel it doesn't have to mean, that I'm no more interested in the material that has been timeshifted.
For me a comfortable timeshift has the option to rewind and watch even the channels I've switched.
This was the most important function, that let me decide switching to Media Portal.
Why not having these zapped channels in timeshift? It's rather useful than useless.
I use this way of watching TV and rewinding timeshifted material very often.
So for me this solution is a step backwards.

I hope this could be made configurable, for those who want to take full advantage of what timeshift and MP can do?

Regards
Ralph

kaybe · 2005-09-07, 17:07

In my opinion this is a very important function.
Example:

Now, 16:59
I am watching TV. I am in timeshift, 30min behind LiveTV.
TICK!
17:00
MP switches channel and starts a programmed recording.

-->NO, I have lost my timeshifted material!!! I cannot watch the show to the end at 17:00!!!!

This is not user friendly, this is not "natural", why do I have timeshift, when I lost it after a channel switching.
I liked the way it behaves some cvs´ ago. I hope this will be fixed in some of the next cvs or in the next release

Marcusb · 2005-09-07, 22:44

I agree with the "keep" team.
Why delete anything anyway? The hard disk gets just as much usage anyway as the buffer is still active. I can't see any benefit AT ALL for deleting the buffer when changing channels.

Ralph · 2005-10-09, 21:20

@ Frodo or anyone who could answer this,

Any chance getting this feature back or make it configurable?
I'm missing it quit a lot and it bothers me every time I'm using Media Portal, which means every day.
I cannot understand, why this has been changed? :cry:

Regards
Ralph

Chimen · 2005-10-10, 16:44

Yeah, I agree.
Would be perfect to have an option for this.

igalan · 2005-10-14, 17:10

This is something I'd really like to see back. If you are watching TV timeshifted and accidentally switch channel, bad luck you're no longer able to keep watching the same thing, the whole buffer is emptied

. For this and a nasty OOS I switched from 0.2.0.0 RC1 to 0.1.3.0.

Marcusb · 2005-11-13, 22:26

In version .2 this feature now works correctly and I was very happy to see our requests have been implemented.
MP now uses timeshifting exactly how I imagine Timeshifting should work.

Unfortunately, I have just seen this in the changelog:

MediaPortal MyTv:
On 13/11/2005 [10:12:18] _Frodo_ added the following change: timeshiftbuffer now gets cleared when zapping

Frodo, **please** change this back, it seems that only one person wanted this (and couldn't really give a reason for it) vs the many that don't want this behaviour.

igalan · 2005-11-14, 08:34

Or at least make it user configurable. This just means losing a feature, not an improvement as I see it.

2005-08-31, 19:41	#1 (permalink)
Ralph Retired Team Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 688 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Country: My System	MyTV deletes timeshifted material when changing a channel MP Version: 0.1.3 CVS 30.08.2005 Skin: Default Windows Version: xp prof sp2 CPU Type: Celeron 2,4 GHz Memory: 512MB DDR Motherboard ASUS P4Pdeluxe Video Card: ATI Radeon 9200 Video Card Driver: Catalyst 5.5 Video Render Type: VMR9 renderless Video Codec Type & Version: Intervideo 4 Audio Codec Type & Version: Intervideo audio decoder TV Card: Hauppauge PVR-350 TV Card Type: Hardware TV Card Driver: latest version Synopsis: Last CVS works very solid an quit well, but when changing a channel, timeshifted material has gone away. MyTV just buffers the current channel and always deletes the buffer when changing channels. Regards Ralph

2005-08-31, 22:07	#2 (permalink)
tomtom21000 Retired Team Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 978 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts My System	This behaviour isn´t really new, is it? It is perhaps my "fault" that mp behaves like that, because I requested it 9 month ago. If you switch channels, it seems to be natural, that you are no more interested in the previous channel, so why keep the timeshift buffer? Obviously, this seems to be different for you? tomtom __________________

2005-11-13, 22:26	#9 (permalink)
Marcusb Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,869 Thanks: 55 Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts Country: My System	AAAaaarrrggghhhh... In version .2 this feature now works correctly and I was very happy to see our requests have been implemented. MP now uses timeshifting exactly how I imagine Timeshifting should work. Unfortunately, I have just seen this in the changelog: MediaPortal MyTv: On 13/11/2005 [10:12:18] _Frodo_ added the following change: timeshiftbuffer now gets cleared when zapping Frodo, please change this back, it seems that only one person wanted this (and couldn't really give a reason for it) vs the many that don't want this behaviour.

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2005-09-01, 15:55	#3 (permalink)
Ralph Retired Team Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 688 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Country: My System	Two weeks are quit new to me. This behaviour just comes up with one of the latest cvs, means this change was made within about the last two weeks. I loved the way timeshift worked in Media Portal. Because I don't have a zapping plan for watching TV, It's good to know, that I can rewind every time I'd liked to and watch every channel I've zapped through. And when changing a channel it doesn't have to mean, that I'm no more interested in the material that has been timeshifted. For me a comfortable timeshift has the option to rewind and watch even the channels I've switched. This was the most important function, that let me decide switching to Media Portal. Why not having these zapped channels in timeshift? It's rather useful than useless. I use this way of watching TV and rewinding timeshifted material very often. So for me this solution is a step backwards. I hope this could be made configurable, for those who want to take full advantage of what timeshift and MP can do? Regards Ralph

2005-09-07, 17:07	#4 (permalink)
kaybe Portal Developer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 82 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts My System	In my opinion this is a very important function. Example: Now, 16:59 I am watching TV. I am in timeshift, 30min behind LiveTV. TICK! 17:00 MP switches channel and starts a programmed recording. -->NO, I have lost my timeshifted material!!! I cannot watch the show to the end at 17:00!!!! This is not user friendly, this is not "natural", why do I have timeshift, when I lost it after a channel switching. I liked the way it behaves some cvs´ ago. I hope this will be fixed in some of the next cvs or in the next release

2005-09-07, 22:44	#5 (permalink)
Marcusb Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,869 Thanks: 55 Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts Country: My System	I agree with the "keep" team. Why delete anything anyway? The hard disk gets just as much usage anyway as the buffer is still active. I can't see any benefit AT ALL for deleting the buffer when changing channels.

2005-10-09, 21:20	#6 (permalink)
Ralph Retired Team Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 688 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Country: My System	@ Frodo or anyone who could answer this, Any chance getting this feature back or make it configurable? I'm missing it quit a lot and it bothers me every time I'm using Media Portal, which means every day. I cannot understand, why this has been changed? :cry: Regards Ralph

2005-10-10, 16:44	#7 (permalink)
Chimen Portal Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah, I agree. Would be perfect to have an option for this.

2005-10-14, 17:10	#8 (permalink)
igalan Portal Developer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Barcelona Age: 35 Posts: 334 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Country: My System	This is something I'd really like to see back. If you are watching TV timeshifted and accidentally switch channel, bad luck you're no longer able to keep watching the same thing, the whole buffer is emptied . For this and a nasty OOS I switched from 0.2.0.0 RC1 to 0.1.3.0.

2005-11-14, 08:34	#10 (permalink)
igalan Portal Developer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Barcelona Age: 35 Posts: 334 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Country: My System	Or at least make it user configurable. This just means losing a feature, not an improvement as I see it.