CybrDisplay External Status Plugin

[Tide]

Originally Posted by globaldonkey

Just an FYI, if IMON starts with Frontview set to "never" the remote stays in mouse mode (I think what you referred to as mode 1 - all input from the HID device). The end result is that the pad only controls the mouse, and the mouse/keyboard toggle does not work to switch it into keyboard mode. I think it is frontview that actually changes the mode.

I did some testing and I can make the mouse stick operate in mouse mode with iMon Manger off or I can make it not work at all with iMon Manger off. To achieve this I play around with changing Frontview from Never to Always and back to Never. This turns Frontview on then off. Something in this process sets something else that stays in that state until Frontview is restarted.

Something like that. I do not know what is really going on to put terms to all of that. I say all of that because maybe you can get yours to stop responding to the mouse stick in Notepad when iMon Manger is off by trying this. I do believe that is what cybrmage wants as the state of the stick when iMon Manger is off. I will play around with this more and see if I can come up with some exact steps.

That being said it is confusing that this is the default state we want as when I do get my pad to act like this it makes the keyboard/mouse button not funcion as far as it does not change the mode anymore. To get the button back functioning I have to turn on and off Frontview to make the stick function actually work and toggle when iMon Manger is running.

To be clear it seams to me that when the stick is working correctly to me that a side effect is the stick still moves when iMon Manger is closed.

[Tide]

- Started with mouse stick not showing input from the pad and iMon Manager closed.
- Started HID test
- Pressed all buttons
- Unplugged USB - waited for sound (Only hear on beep - sometimes it is 2 quick beeps - I am guessing this is where you say USB logger)
- Plug USB back in - hear beep
- pressed more buttons in HID test

When I unplugged the USB and plugged it back in my LCD screen went from blank (because I had shut down Frontview in iMon Manager) to showing the clock. Also when I shut down the HID test my mouse stick was back to responding to input with iMon Manager closed and the HID test off (Opposite of what we want - correct?).

[cybrmage]

Originally Posted by Tide

Knowing this is what you want, I think I can achieve this. I thought you wanted the mouse stick to move when iMon Manager is closed. During my attempt to get it back to this state I had it in the state you describe as wanting. I think I can get it back into your desired state. I will give it a try after I run 16 then run 16 again.

Originally Posted by globaldonkey

That looks better. All the input is coming from the HID device. I did the following,

1. Moved the PAD in all directions
2. Pressed some keys (play, stop etc)
3. Pressed the mouse/keyboard toggle
4. Moved the PAD in all directions

Just an FYI, if IMON starts with Frontview set to "never" the remote stays in mouse mode (I think what you referred to as mode 1 - all input from the HID device). The end result is that the pad only controls the mouse, and the mouse/keyboard toggle does not work to switch it into keyboard mode. I think it is frontview that actually changes the mode.

Ummm... With the version 6 iMon software, this should not be the case....

In "Mode 1", with iMon not running, the mousepad should NOT control the mouse pointer....
In "Mode 2", with iMon not running, the mousepad should control the mouse pointer....

We need the device in "mode 1".....

I think that, with all the testing and logs and discussions.... that I have lost track of the actual operational characteristics of each device and version of iMon Manager.....

So... please do the following:

1) run iMon Manager
2) set the remote to mouse mode
3) with iMon Manager still running, run test app 17
4) move the pad controller
5) post the log

thanks.

[parkuhr]

hi cybermage!

i have a problem with wrong date and time format with you driver.

i set date and time in frontview like this:

16/04/2008 WED
15:34:00
thats the way i wana have it.


in your display driver configuration, i have set: ensure that imon is running, to activatet.
its running fine, in the format above, i wana have, till media-portal ends.

after i exit mediaportal, i get a wrong format of date an time. it looks like this:
APR 16, 2008
pm/am 03:34:00

thats horrible for me;( i don t wana have this in this format;((


hope you can help me.

regards

parkuhr

[globaldonkey]

Originally Posted by Tide

I did some testing and I can make the mouse stick operate in mouse mode with iMon Manger off or I can make it not work at all with iMon Manger off. To achieve this I play around with changing Frontview from Never to Always and back to Never. This turns Frontview on then off. Something in this process sets something else that stays in that state until Frontview is restarted.

Yes it's a bit of a sideline discussion, but what you are finding is one of the differences between V7 and V6 iMON that I observed back here -> CybrDisplay External Status Plugin

In V6, if Frontview is set to never (turned off), the pad works in the last mode that it was in (keyboard or mouse).

In V7, if Frontview is set to never (turned off), it always throws the pad back into "mouse mode" ie controlling the mouse, even though it was set to control the keyboard prior to turning off. I think the reason is because the V7 software resets the mode of the device to mode 1 (input from raw HID device only), whereas V6 leaves the device in mode 2 (input from 3 devices). As cybrmage said, Soundgraph are constantly changing the behaviour of their software.

At least that's how it behaved on my system, which again is different firmware to yours as I'm running VFD and you're running LCD.

[globaldonkey]

Log file forthwith.....

After starting iMON (which was set for keyboard mode), I pressed the toggle button to switch to mouse mode, checked mouse pointer moved, then started the test program.

Hope I haven't confused things here, but just to be clear, when my system boots up without iMON Manager ever starting, the result is that the pad controls the mouse and does not do cursor movements. On my system, the PAD either does one or the other. It never does nothing (ie not respond). You have to open notepad and enter some spaces and lines to see the cursor movement working, or use some other program that can demonstrate a cursor movement key.

[Tide]

globaldonkey thank you so much for that explanation. It all makes sense now. I think with your guys efforts I understand what is going on.

cybermage - Should I stick with Beta 7 or go back to v6?

Here is my test 17.

[cybrmage]

Originally Posted by globaldonkey

On my system, the PAD either does one or the other. It never does nothing (ie not respond). You have to open notepad and enter some spaces and lines to see the cursor movement working, or use some other program that can demonstrate a cursor movement key.

Is that with both iMon Manager and the test app not running??? or is that with iMon running and the test app running???

The logs shows reports from the mousepad (PAD controller) via the "HID Remote" device... but it does NOT show that the device is sending and keyboard reports.....

Originally Posted by Tide

It all makes sense now.

Good.... Then you can explain it to me.... 8-}

Originally Posted by Tide

Should I stick with Beta 7 or go back to v6?

According to the logs.... The device seems to be operating the way we need it to operate... so you can stick with V7.... The driver just uses it as a "helper"...

Ok.. so we have that issue taken care of (for now...)

Can you both run test 17 again, and this time press just the number keys... thanks....

[cybrmage]

For those interested in helping with the USB logging for these (or any other) devices...

I use a logging program called "Bus Hound"... It can log from just about any bus on the system (except PCI / PCI-E)...

It is rather expensive, but they have a free version available (restricted, but functional)...

The website is PeriSoft... doenload the "try" version...

globaldonkey and tide:

Prepare iMon Manager... run it and make sure that it is set on "Keyboard" mode. then shut it down.\

Once you have it installed, run it... click on "Devices"... It will display the device tree for your system... look for "HID compliant device" and click on it... If you have more that one HID device on your system, you will have to verify the correct device by checking the Hardware ID in the properties window at the bottom of the screen... (you are looking for "Vid_15c2&Pid_0036&MI_01" or "Vid_15c2&Pid_0038&MI_01")

Once you have found the correct device, click on the checkbox beside the device. Then, click on "Capture". Then click on "Run", then start iMon Manager... Once iMon manager has started, go back to Bus Hound and click on "Stop", then click on "Save" and save the log... Then post it here...

Thanks!!

[Tide]

Here is 17 with just the numbers pressed (well * and # too).

Regaurding Bus Hound. I have a internal PCI USB card that I have the iMon connected to. It has 1 internal port and 4 external. Given your statement about PCI/PCI-E, will this work with Bus Hound?