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<blockquote data-quote="CyberSimian" data-source="post: 1297138" data-attributes="member: 141969"><p>I have now tested TvMosaic on the MP 2.5.0 Net6 that I installed yesterday, so this was an "update install" (the MP2 installer uninstalled TVE 3.5 and then installed the TvMosaic client). No problems occurred (although it did seem to take a long time on my system). I then installed the TvMosaic server (again no problems).</p><p></p><p>Scanning for channels was successful, as was EPG grabbing (from the broadcast datastream), and when I started the MP2 client I could view the EPG, watch live TV, and listen to the radio. Some comments:</p><p></p><p>(1) From previous posts, it seems that antivirus software causes problems. I don't use any specific antivirus software on my HTPC, as it is used only as an HTPC. My lack of antivirus may explain my success, while others have problems.</p><p></p><p>(2) TvMosaic is not beyond criticism. The scroll bars are invisible, which means that you cannot tell where to click to scroll the list of tuners or the list of channels. PAGE_UP and PAGE_DOWN on the keyboard do not scroll the lists either.</p><p></p><p>(3) The first channel scan was successful, but subsequent channel scans did not scan -- the software recognised that it was the same provider, and simply mapped the channels from the first scan. This may be OK when all of the tuners have the same capability, but may not work when the tuners have different capability. I have four DVB-T2 tuners and two DVB-T tuners. The result of TvMosaic's action may be that it thinks that the DVB-T tuners can receive the UK HD channels (which, of course, they cannot). This would need to be investigated (although it is not obvious how to do this).</p><p></p><p>(4) The EPG grab is too short. TvMosaic allocates 5 minutes for this, but the UK requires 10-15 minutes for the EPG grab. The result of this is that the MP2 client showed "No program data" in the EPG for many programmes from tomorrow onwards (today's EPG seemed complete, as far as I checked). It may be possible to increase the grab time, but I could not find a config file where this could be set.</p><p></p><p>(5) I scheduled a recording of a radio programme, which (I think) succeeded. But the file size is enormous. Using TVE 3/3.5, a 30-minute recording from "BBC Radio 4" is about 50 MByte in size. Using TvMosaic it is about 500 MByte in size. For comparison, a 30-minute radio recording using WMC on Vista is stored as a DVR-MS file, and that is about 250 MByte in size, while the same recording using WMC on Windows 7 is stored as a WTV file, and that is about 750 MByte in size.</p><p></p><p>One difference is the ability to jump forward and jump backward during playback of a radio recording. This is possible with DVR-MS and WTV files, but not with TVE's TS files. I suspect that this is because the latter lacks the necessary timing data within the file. Possibly the TvMosaic TS file does contain this timing data (I have not tried playing it yet, as I will need to create an xml file to be able to import it into TVE's database).</p><p></p><p>(6) In the MP2 client, on first entry to the EPG, the grid shows "No program data" for about one second before the programme info appears. Once in the EPG, scrolling around does not suffer this problem. However, if one returns to the MP2 "Home" panel and visits some other part of the product, on return to the EPG, once again there is this one-second delay before the programme info appears.</p><p></p><p>(7) As I mentioned in my comments on a previous build, and echoed by [USER=128337]@joecrow[/USER] in an earlier post, channel selection by entering numbers does not work. I think that this is an important capability that needs to be supported. My TV EPG has about 100 channels. If I want to go from channel 10 to channel 101, I don't want to have to scroll repeatedly; I want to enter the number 101. This is how I use MP1.</p><p></p><p>(8) While listening to a radio programme, moving between the different tiles and panels in the "Radio" section worked OK. But on return to the "Home" panel, the response to the UP, DOWN, LEFT, and RIGHT buttons on the remote became slow, and the animations became very jerky. One might suppose that the entire client was running on a single thread, and so had to divide the CPU between playing live radio and animating the "Home"panel". My HTPC has a 4-core Intel Q6600, which I don't think is underpowered for mediacenter use.</p><p></p><p>(9) I have used TvMosaic only a few time via MP2, but from reading elsewhere my impression had been that TvMosaic offers better functionality for scheduling recordings. The problem here is that MP 2.5.0 does not expose any of this better functionality. It would need support in the skin, and in the corresponding underlying code in the MP2 TvMosaic client. So MP 2.5.0 has precisely the same limitations as TVE 3/3.5. Now, one cannot do everything at once, and one has to start somewhere, but it is difficult to see any advantage in using TvMosaic with the current release of MP2. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>-- from CyberSimian in the UK</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CyberSimian, post: 1297138, member: 141969"] I have now tested TvMosaic on the MP 2.5.0 Net6 that I installed yesterday, so this was an "update install" (the MP2 installer uninstalled TVE 3.5 and then installed the TvMosaic client). No problems occurred (although it did seem to take a long time on my system). I then installed the TvMosaic server (again no problems). Scanning for channels was successful, as was EPG grabbing (from the broadcast datastream), and when I started the MP2 client I could view the EPG, watch live TV, and listen to the radio. Some comments: (1) From previous posts, it seems that antivirus software causes problems. I don't use any specific antivirus software on my HTPC, as it is used only as an HTPC. My lack of antivirus may explain my success, while others have problems. (2) TvMosaic is not beyond criticism. The scroll bars are invisible, which means that you cannot tell where to click to scroll the list of tuners or the list of channels. PAGE_UP and PAGE_DOWN on the keyboard do not scroll the lists either. (3) The first channel scan was successful, but subsequent channel scans did not scan -- the software recognised that it was the same provider, and simply mapped the channels from the first scan. This may be OK when all of the tuners have the same capability, but may not work when the tuners have different capability. I have four DVB-T2 tuners and two DVB-T tuners. The result of TvMosaic's action may be that it thinks that the DVB-T tuners can receive the UK HD channels (which, of course, they cannot). This would need to be investigated (although it is not obvious how to do this). (4) The EPG grab is too short. TvMosaic allocates 5 minutes for this, but the UK requires 10-15 minutes for the EPG grab. The result of this is that the MP2 client showed "No program data" in the EPG for many programmes from tomorrow onwards (today's EPG seemed complete, as far as I checked). It may be possible to increase the grab time, but I could not find a config file where this could be set. (5) I scheduled a recording of a radio programme, which (I think) succeeded. But the file size is enormous. Using TVE 3/3.5, a 30-minute recording from "BBC Radio 4" is about 50 MByte in size. Using TvMosaic it is about 500 MByte in size. For comparison, a 30-minute radio recording using WMC on Vista is stored as a DVR-MS file, and that is about 250 MByte in size, while the same recording using WMC on Windows 7 is stored as a WTV file, and that is about 750 MByte in size. One difference is the ability to jump forward and jump backward during playback of a radio recording. This is possible with DVR-MS and WTV files, but not with TVE's TS files. I suspect that this is because the latter lacks the necessary timing data within the file. Possibly the TvMosaic TS file does contain this timing data (I have not tried playing it yet, as I will need to create an xml file to be able to import it into TVE's database). (6) In the MP2 client, on first entry to the EPG, the grid shows "No program data" for about one second before the programme info appears. Once in the EPG, scrolling around does not suffer this problem. However, if one returns to the MP2 "Home" panel and visits some other part of the product, on return to the EPG, once again there is this one-second delay before the programme info appears. (7) As I mentioned in my comments on a previous build, and echoed by [USER=128337]@joecrow[/USER] in an earlier post, channel selection by entering numbers does not work. I think that this is an important capability that needs to be supported. My TV EPG has about 100 channels. If I want to go from channel 10 to channel 101, I don't want to have to scroll repeatedly; I want to enter the number 101. This is how I use MP1. (8) While listening to a radio programme, moving between the different tiles and panels in the "Radio" section worked OK. But on return to the "Home" panel, the response to the UP, DOWN, LEFT, and RIGHT buttons on the remote became slow, and the animations became very jerky. One might suppose that the entire client was running on a single thread, and so had to divide the CPU between playing live radio and animating the "Home"panel". My HTPC has a 4-core Intel Q6600, which I don't think is underpowered for mediacenter use. (9) I have used TvMosaic only a few time via MP2, but from reading elsewhere my impression had been that TvMosaic offers better functionality for scheduling recordings. The problem here is that MP 2.5.0 does not expose any of this better functionality. It would need support in the skin, and in the corresponding underlying code in the MP2 TvMosaic client. So MP 2.5.0 has precisely the same limitations as TVE 3/3.5. Now, one cannot do everything at once, and one has to start somewhere, but it is difficult to see any advantage in using TvMosaic with the current release of MP2. :( -- from CyberSimian in the UK [/QUOTE]
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