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<blockquote data-quote="Lehmden" data-source="post: 1131364" data-attributes="member: 109222"><p>Hi.</p><p>Here my observations about navigating by remote in BlueVision (can mostly be transferred 1:1 to Apollo One, I'm pretty sure) in daily and "productive" usage.</p><p>When you are navigating with mouse, the skin is working like a charm. Short ways, direct access, really nice.</p><p></p><p>Sadly this is not the case for navigating with a remote. There you can not access an item directly. You need to use the cursor keys to go where you want to go. For this special attention is needed on which key press leads to where, the focus handling, on showing which item is the recently selected one,...</p><p></p><p>Right now the remote navigation is more a thing for training a race driver's concentration abilities, but not for a "couch potato" who only want to relax... </p><p></p><p>Here are some issues I have, ordered on "nastiness"... 1 is the most nasty one, 6 is not that nasty but should be fixed nevertheless...</p><p></p><p>1a.) There should only be one way to leave the current section up to top menu. And this only should be "cursor up". Example: You scroll all the way down the grid view list of your 1000++ movies. Finally you are near to where you want to go, e.G. the movie "Twister". But you've scrolled down some columns left of the movie you want to go. So you press "Cursor right" on the remote. You press it another time and a third time, but now the key repeating function takes over and suddenly you are one step to far to the right. Normally the selection stops on the last item, but not here. You instantly are thrown completely out of the movie section and you are stranded in the "news" or "settings" section... And to make worse things even more worse, MP2 did not "remember" where you were the last time. So you need to start navigation all over again. </p><p>This is happening at least once per MP2 session, most of the time more than once. So it really is a pain</p><p>and a massive waste of time... Sometimes I want to throw the remote onto the TV if this happens...</p><p></p><p>1b.) The Top menu is not separated enough from the section where you are. Example: You are on Series and go "up" until you are in the top menu (so far so good). But if you enter the top menu you did not know on which item you'll end. Imho it is absolutely necessary that you only can go from "Series" or other items of the VideoHub to the Top Menu Item "VideoHub" nowhere else.</p><p></p><p>2.) When you enter a sub item the focus should be on the list and not on the Top Menu. Example: You enter the Videohub. Then you press "cursor down" once to reach the series section entry. So far so good. Here you press "OK" to enter the series section. Now you need to press "cursor down" to select an item of the list and to see e.g. fanart. This is not too good. Normally the first item of the list should be selected... And you are entering the grid on the most right item also we are used to go from left to right. Not good too...</p><p></p><p>3.) The "hidden menu" really is hard to reach, most of the time it is impossible. As there are different actions on the "menu" key depending on if a listview or gridview item is selected or not, you need to find a place where no list- item is selected and where you also did not leave the current section... Most of the time this leads to completely leaving the section as you are navigated to a completely different Top Menu item. </p><p></p><p>4.) The visibility of which item is the selected one is not clear enough most of the time. You really need to concentrate on navigating just to see where you are and which button you need to press next.</p><p></p><p>5.) The "green" button navigates you directly to the top menu, so far so good. But it is a random item on where you are moved to. Here are two options thinkable: A) The last used Top Menu item or B) the new "Home" item... </p><p></p><p>6.) The Shutdown Menu should be reachable more easily. Now you need to press a lot of buttons, only to quit MP2 or to shutdown the PC...</p><p></p><p>1a. and 1b are really heavy issues, making navigation with remote painful a lot. As they are belonging together I've numbered them 1a and 1b instead of 1 and 2...</p><p></p><p>2 is blocking a fluid workflow and navigation as you need to press a lot of unneeded buttons to go where you want to go. For this it is nothing I would call "user friendly"</p><p></p><p>3 will be a lot better as soon as 1 is fixed but it is nasty too. There should be a much cleaner solution for hidden menu access. </p><p></p><p>4 can probably be solved with a "theme for blind people like me". </p><p></p><p>5 is not that important but should be fixed nevertheless imho. If it will be A) or B) is not that important (I would prefer A a bit over B but I'm fine with B too), but you definitely need to "know" without looking where you are after pressing the green button. </p><p></p><p>6 also is not that important. Just a matter of comfort.</p><p></p><p>And a general feeling is, the reaction on a button press is not as direct as I would like it. Other skins are reacting more direct to a press... But I didn't measure this, it only is a feeling.</p><p></p><p>Hope all is clear enough. Feel free to ask, if it isn't.</p><p></p><p>I really like this skin and I want to help making it even better...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lehmden, post: 1131364, member: 109222"] Hi. Here my observations about navigating by remote in BlueVision (can mostly be transferred 1:1 to Apollo One, I'm pretty sure) in daily and "productive" usage. When you are navigating with mouse, the skin is working like a charm. Short ways, direct access, really nice. Sadly this is not the case for navigating with a remote. There you can not access an item directly. You need to use the cursor keys to go where you want to go. For this special attention is needed on which key press leads to where, the focus handling, on showing which item is the recently selected one,... Right now the remote navigation is more a thing for training a race driver's concentration abilities, but not for a "couch potato" who only want to relax... Here are some issues I have, ordered on "nastiness"... 1 is the most nasty one, 6 is not that nasty but should be fixed nevertheless... 1a.) There should only be one way to leave the current section up to top menu. And this only should be "cursor up". Example: You scroll all the way down the grid view list of your 1000++ movies. Finally you are near to where you want to go, e.G. the movie "Twister". But you've scrolled down some columns left of the movie you want to go. So you press "Cursor right" on the remote. You press it another time and a third time, but now the key repeating function takes over and suddenly you are one step to far to the right. Normally the selection stops on the last item, but not here. You instantly are thrown completely out of the movie section and you are stranded in the "news" or "settings" section... And to make worse things even more worse, MP2 did not "remember" where you were the last time. So you need to start navigation all over again. This is happening at least once per MP2 session, most of the time more than once. So it really is a pain and a massive waste of time... Sometimes I want to throw the remote onto the TV if this happens... 1b.) The Top menu is not separated enough from the section where you are. Example: You are on Series and go "up" until you are in the top menu (so far so good). But if you enter the top menu you did not know on which item you'll end. Imho it is absolutely necessary that you only can go from "Series" or other items of the VideoHub to the Top Menu Item "VideoHub" nowhere else. 2.) When you enter a sub item the focus should be on the list and not on the Top Menu. Example: You enter the Videohub. Then you press "cursor down" once to reach the series section entry. So far so good. Here you press "OK" to enter the series section. Now you need to press "cursor down" to select an item of the list and to see e.g. fanart. This is not too good. Normally the first item of the list should be selected... And you are entering the grid on the most right item also we are used to go from left to right. Not good too... 3.) The "hidden menu" really is hard to reach, most of the time it is impossible. As there are different actions on the "menu" key depending on if a listview or gridview item is selected or not, you need to find a place where no list- item is selected and where you also did not leave the current section... Most of the time this leads to completely leaving the section as you are navigated to a completely different Top Menu item. 4.) The visibility of which item is the selected one is not clear enough most of the time. You really need to concentrate on navigating just to see where you are and which button you need to press next. 5.) The "green" button navigates you directly to the top menu, so far so good. But it is a random item on where you are moved to. Here are two options thinkable: A) The last used Top Menu item or B) the new "Home" item... 6.) The Shutdown Menu should be reachable more easily. Now you need to press a lot of buttons, only to quit MP2 or to shutdown the PC... 1a. and 1b are really heavy issues, making navigation with remote painful a lot. As they are belonging together I've numbered them 1a and 1b instead of 1 and 2... 2 is blocking a fluid workflow and navigation as you need to press a lot of unneeded buttons to go where you want to go. For this it is nothing I would call "user friendly" 3 will be a lot better as soon as 1 is fixed but it is nasty too. There should be a much cleaner solution for hidden menu access. 4 can probably be solved with a "theme for blind people like me". 5 is not that important but should be fixed nevertheless imho. If it will be A) or B) is not that important (I would prefer A a bit over B but I'm fine with B too), but you definitely need to "know" without looking where you are after pressing the green button. 6 also is not that important. Just a matter of comfort. And a general feeling is, the reaction on a button press is not as direct as I would like it. Other skins are reacting more direct to a press... But I didn't measure this, it only is a feeling. Hope all is clear enough. Feel free to ask, if it isn't. I really like this skin and I want to help making it even better... [/QUOTE]
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