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<blockquote data-quote="mm1352000" data-source="post: 1188157" data-attributes="member: 82144">A small addendum...PCIe 1.0/1.0a is not obscure, or an extension. It was the PCIe standard back in the day, and it's still very adequate - even to the point of overkill - in terms of bandwidth and features for TV tuner cards. Since PCIe is backwards compatible, theoretically PCIe 1.0/1.0a chips should continue to be suitable for tuner designs for the foreseeable future.The issue CyberSimian and other people have run into seems to be caused by certain motherboard vendors taking short-cuts and no longer including v1.0 in their testing regimes. Depending on your point of view, you may or may not be inclined to forgive the affected mobo vendors for not testing against a 10 year old standard/version. Either way, it's certainly not TBS's fault as seemed to be implied.Actually, TBS have gone to the [IMHO extreme] length of switching to a new PCIe bridge (or rather, PCIe bridge implemented via FPGA) with their latest products. I'm not sure whether that's a direct result of the compatibility issues reported with 6284, 6285 and other SAA7160-based cards, or whether SAA7160 is no longer readily available. Compared to 6284, 6205 (the equivalent/replacement) has completely different tuner, demodulator and [as previously mentioned] PCIe bridge chips. Therefore comments about 6284 have limited applicability for 6205.[disclaimer: I'm not a TBS shill/apologist. Just trying to ensure that both sides of the story are available. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> ]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mm1352000, post: 1188157, member: 82144"] A small addendum... PCIe 1.0/1.0a is not obscure, or an extension. It was [I]the[/I] PCIe standard back in the day, and it's still very adequate - even to the point of overkill - in terms of bandwidth and features for TV tuner cards. Since PCIe is backwards compatible, theoretically PCIe 1.0/1.0a chips should continue to be suitable for tuner designs for the foreseeable future. The issue CyberSimian and other people have run into seems to be caused by certain motherboard vendors taking short-cuts and no longer including v1.0 in their testing regimes. Depending on your point of view, you may or may not be inclined to forgive the affected mobo vendors for not testing against a 10 year old standard/version. Either way, it's certainly not TBS's fault as seemed to be implied. Actually, TBS have gone to the [IMHO extreme] length of switching to a new PCIe bridge (or rather, PCIe bridge implemented via FPGA) with their latest products. I'm not sure whether that's a direct result of the compatibility issues reported with 6284, 6285 and other SAA7160-based cards, or whether SAA7160 is no longer readily available. Compared to 6284, 6205 (the equivalent/replacement) has completely different tuner, demodulator and [as previously mentioned] PCIe bridge chips. Therefore comments about 6284 have limited applicability for 6205. [disclaimer: I'm not a TBS shill/apologist. Just trying to ensure that both sides of the story are available. :) ] [/QUOTE]

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