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<blockquote data-quote="mm1352000" data-source="post: 793443" data-attributes="member: 82144"><p><strong>Re: eeee</strong></p><p></p><p>Hi again</p><p></p><p></p><p>I was going to say yesterday that this is really a major problem from my perspective. EPG info is not often "rich" unless you pay for it, and even then everything relies on what the content producer or broadcaster provides. In the US and Canada things seem to be particularly bad as there doesn't seem to be any EPG provided over-the-air or on cable like there is in the rest of the world. Well, to be fair I should qualify that:</p><p>- Dish and DirecTV have guide info that I'd like to try and support in the next version of MP</p><p>- people have said that EPG provided in over-the-air ATSC does not seem to be accurate</p><p>- I know that cable companies provide EPG to their set top boxes *somehow*, but it doesn't seem to be available in the stream dumps that I've seen</p><p></p><p>So we have a bit of a problem finding a good source for EPG for people like yourself. At present the only options that I know of for US EPG truly are SD and mc2xml. I don't know how SD source their data but it seems like they exist in constant fear of having their license/source removed. Microsoft with all their pulling power is able to organise a service that broadcasters and providers are willing to participate in, but we don't have anywhere near that kind of "power".</p><p></p><p>So we're in a very difficult position. Any thoughts?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Never heard of it, but I'll have a look this evening. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do agree that the scanning interface for ATSC and cable is confusing. I'm going to try and fix that up in the next version of MP. I'm also going to try and get it documented as right now there is *nothing* about ATSC or cable scanning in our wiki (!!! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" />).</p><p></p><p>Regarding tuners: HDHomeRuns are possibly one of the easiest and best options for good US TV tuners. They're really well supported (by Silicondust I mean), the software is good, and I think MP supports them reasonably well. Hauppauge tuners also aren't too bad. When it comes to CableCard, the issue there is DRM. It is simply out of the question for us to support protected content. The implementation effort + implementation time + cost of licensing/certification by Cable Labs + implications for our code (potentially having to be closed source)... all make it essentially impossible for us. Having said that, I am in contact with both Ceton and Silicondust to try and add support for their InfiniTV 4 and Prime CableCard products. It looks like that will be a *huge* job, and at the end of the day we're still going to be limited to "copy freely" content. That will be the best we can do...</p><p></p><p>Summary:</p><p>- I hear you loud and clear</p><p>- I think a big part of the problem is the lack of documentation</p><p>- another part of the problem is DRM which we can't do anything about</p><p>- we're going to do the best we can within the constraints</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sorry but I think this is one we can't do. Encoder software [should] pay licensing fees to the applicable patent holders. We don't have the resources to implement our own encoder. Nor do I think we have the money to pay licensing fees. Open source software like MP has traditionally got away without paying licensing fees for codecs as the patent holders seem to think there isn't much money in taking them (us) to court (at least that is my opinion), however we prefer to operate legally.</p><p></p><p></p><p>ComSkip is already supported. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>Possibly not the best documenation - <a href="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/13_Plugins/ComSkip_Launcher" target="_blank">wiki</a> - still...</p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mm1352000, post: 793443, member: 82144"] [b]Re: eeee[/b] Hi again I was going to say yesterday that this is really a major problem from my perspective. EPG info is not often "rich" unless you pay for it, and even then everything relies on what the content producer or broadcaster provides. In the US and Canada things seem to be particularly bad as there doesn't seem to be any EPG provided over-the-air or on cable like there is in the rest of the world. Well, to be fair I should qualify that: - Dish and DirecTV have guide info that I'd like to try and support in the next version of MP - people have said that EPG provided in over-the-air ATSC does not seem to be accurate - I know that cable companies provide EPG to their set top boxes *somehow*, but it doesn't seem to be available in the stream dumps that I've seen So we have a bit of a problem finding a good source for EPG for people like yourself. At present the only options that I know of for US EPG truly are SD and mc2xml. I don't know how SD source their data but it seems like they exist in constant fear of having their license/source removed. Microsoft with all their pulling power is able to organise a service that broadcasters and providers are willing to participate in, but we don't have anywhere near that kind of "power". So we're in a very difficult position. Any thoughts? Never heard of it, but I'll have a look this evening. :) I do agree that the scanning interface for ATSC and cable is confusing. I'm going to try and fix that up in the next version of MP. I'm also going to try and get it documented as right now there is *nothing* about ATSC or cable scanning in our wiki (!!! :(). Regarding tuners: HDHomeRuns are possibly one of the easiest and best options for good US TV tuners. They're really well supported (by Silicondust I mean), the software is good, and I think MP supports them reasonably well. Hauppauge tuners also aren't too bad. When it comes to CableCard, the issue there is DRM. It is simply out of the question for us to support protected content. The implementation effort + implementation time + cost of licensing/certification by Cable Labs + implications for our code (potentially having to be closed source)... all make it essentially impossible for us. Having said that, I am in contact with both Ceton and Silicondust to try and add support for their InfiniTV 4 and Prime CableCard products. It looks like that will be a *huge* job, and at the end of the day we're still going to be limited to "copy freely" content. That will be the best we can do... Summary: - I hear you loud and clear - I think a big part of the problem is the lack of documentation - another part of the problem is DRM which we can't do anything about - we're going to do the best we can within the constraints I'm sorry but I think this is one we can't do. Encoder software [should] pay licensing fees to the applicable patent holders. We don't have the resources to implement our own encoder. Nor do I think we have the money to pay licensing fees. Open source software like MP has traditionally got away without paying licensing fees for codecs as the patent holders seem to think there isn't much money in taking them (us) to court (at least that is my opinion), however we prefer to operate legally. ComSkip is already supported. :D Possibly not the best documenation - [URL="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/13_Plugins/ComSkip_Launcher"]wiki[/URL] - still... :D [/QUOTE]
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