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<blockquote data-quote="Paul9" data-source="post: 1121477" data-attributes="member: 150969"><p>Thanks again for your help. Regarding models I was looking at.... last July I could find very few Brazilian websites with info on USB TV-Tuner sticks, and that info was very dated. The most useful forum was htforum.com (inPortuguese - so use GoogleTranslate) I saw some models also using Dibcom chipset (PixelView PlayTV USB SBTVD (Full-Seg)) (maybe a rebadged Geniatech) chipset name 'DIB8076'. It did not get good reviews, weak reception, much criticism of the packaged software, proprietary file format - not in same class as the Elgato based software supplied with a Terratec DVB-T I bought in the UK in 2006. As the reviews dated 2009, this model is at least 5years old. I came across a reference to a newer chipset, the DIB8090, used in a 'VISUS TV Duo' with ArcSoftTotalMedia3.5 review dated 2010, (twin-tuners) not much newer than the previous stick, and still not getting good reviews, awfull Remote Control.</p><p></p><p>I looked on the DibCom.fr site then, and say both the above replaced by an 'Octopus' family, claiming to work universally. I emailed them for a list of OEM's using their latest ISDB-T chipset, but no reply. I have since seen they are taken over by Parrot, now focussing on car technology, no mention of TV-Tuners, so maybe they have ceased making ISDB-T chipsets.</p><p></p><p>I had great hopes of AverMedia as they have multinational offices & amke TV-Tuners for UK & USA so thought a chance they may have a high-quality ISDB-T USB Tuner. From the 3 models on their site, I thought the H868 or H869 may be a good choice. <a href="http://avertv.avermedia.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=537" target="_blank">http://avertv.avermedia.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=537</a> It uses their own viewing software 'AverTV', no mention of BDA driver. I guess it is at least 4 years old from refs in htforum going back to Jan. 2011. They go on about 3D a lot, (no interest to me) but the datasheet is missing important data, like does it support FHD as well as SD or HD. Can find no User Manual to download. Cannot see if it records in formats readable by other players eg MKV, MP4 etc. htforum mini-review of H868 in 2010 is quite -ve: obscure .POS record format preventing editing or converson to popular formats, and won't work with other programs like WMC - but some commenters say it works with DVBViewer, some say WMC, so much confusion. Problem with a 2010 'review' is most commenters are refering to Analog mode as Digital was uncommon in Brazil then. The thread continues to 2013, but I see many complain about the naff .POS recording still a problem. So maybe AverMedia not a good choice.</p><p></p><p>I am surprised not to see any recent (last 2 years) reviews of new ISDB-T Tuners in htforum or elsewhere.</p><p></p><p>Since my initial post to you, seen 4 further references: </p><p> </p><p>1) the Digibest ISDB-T2037 (<a href="http://www.digibest-tech.com/products/detail.php?pid=220&cid=74&f=1" target="_blank">http://www.digibest-tech.com/products/detail.php?pid=220&cid=74&f=1</a>) which states BDA architecture, is low-power (<270mW) subtitle support, but again, no mention if it supports 'FHD' also a curious statement Video Frame Rate 15 fps by broadcaster - dont understand that. Also don't quite understand 'Mini Pal input connector'. An external antenna socket is essential. Cannot find independant reviews.</p><p></p><p>2) Hauppauge PCTV 910E - looks a bit dated, and unlinked from their mainproduct page. (<a href="http://www.hauppauge.com/latam/data_pctv910e.html" target="_blank">http://www.hauppauge.com/latam/data_pctv910e.html</a>) which at least says supports 1080i & SD, Records in MPEG-4, but no mention of BDA driver</p><p></p><p>3) Silicon Labs Si218x2 Dual ISDB-T demodulators - new chipset, prob too new to see in products (digitaltvnews.com January 2015)</p><p></p><p>4) <a href="http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/08/16/review-of-wetek-play-android-dvb-s2-satellite-receiver/" target="_blank">http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/08/16/review-of-wetek-play-android-dvb-s2-satellite-receiver/</a> It is an Android TV box with a choice of integral TV-Tuner module including ISDB-T, and as such, is a standalone, not employing a host PC. The above link is an early review. Shame its using an older AMLogic 8726 Cortex A9 - I am sure I have seen review of other Cortex A9 based Android boxes struggling to display FHD video without judder, so this a bit worrying. Datasheet: <a href="https://wetek.com/wetek_basic.pdf" target="_blank">https://wetek.com/wetek_basic.pdf</a> it says works with Android, Linux, Kodi. Does that mean it uses BDA driver ? Having only just seen it, have not yet tried contacting them. I read Chinese sites have poor/non-existant support</p><p></p><p>Although costing more than the previous 3 refs, if I can find it in Brazil, and there are favourable independant reviews showing it does not stutter on FHD, then perhaps best choice as an all-in-one.</p><p></p><p>Looking at rest of your post, I am not sure what PVR-backend (s) are available that support ISDB-T, your link shows none. The Prolink & your link above it refer to the PixelView that got bad reviews in 2009.</p><p></p><p>Your link to the Argentina post is interesting; I see 1 person asking why talk DVB-T when S. America is ISDB-T. I was confused why does one need to tediously manually enter TV station frequencies into a list, when my 9 year old Terratec, all I needed to do was click 'Tune' and it autoscanned the whole spectrum, automatically saving all stations (over 100) in its memory as it went. Think I am now guessing that to 'fool' MP into working with a ISDB Tuner, one aspect is, the channel autoscan/save is not compatible, hence need to skip autotune, and either copy from a source, or manually write the TV Frequency file - is that correct ?</p><p></p><p>That post is 2012, and Digital rollout in the Northeast of Brazil has been very slow, only 4 channels in 2012. Also note the Argentinian user wasn't having much success and didnt revisit site after last post.</p><p></p><p>Your next link dated 2009 mentions a TBS isdb-t (USB) tuner. I visited tbsdtv.com and they no longer show a USB ISDBT-T tuner, only a card tuner, and being mobile, I do not use a desktop. However the thread was interesting in that in 2011 when another asks him a question, he replies don't use MP anymore, no support for ISDB-T. Your next link refers to a Brazil user with a card type tuner where 'DucaSP' solved problem in 2010</p><p></p><p>So looks like the first line of your reply may be the most fruitful if you can comment on the list of models I mentioned. The only negative to my 9 year old Terratec, apart from Terratec advising it was compatible with Brazil analog TV before I bought, except it wasn't, is it ran quite hot (spec 2.5W) and I needed to select the bulky .TS record format to avoid stutter. I would have thought the newest ISDB-T chipsets should run cooler and support the more useful MKV or MP4 recording. The 2 AverMedia models do state a low 270mA consumption, and the DigiBest an extremely (incredibly?) low 80mA ! The Silicon Labs chipset sounds very good, but could be many months before retail product available.</p><p></p><p>Would it be safe to assume that if a USB ISDB-T tuner uses a BDA driver, then it will work with ANY 'TV Tuner Player' software that also uses the BDA interface ? I was thinking I could at least rely on my existing '<em>Home Cinema</em>' (Elgato) App that came with my BDA Driver Terratec, to get started.</p><p></p><p>Is there a way to list MP forum members IN Brazil who made recent posts ? I clicked on 'Notable Members'; they are mostly in Europe, which is DVB of course, non in S. America.</p><p></p><p>Is there any development of MP to support the ISDB-T standard ?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paul9, post: 1121477, member: 150969"] Thanks again for your help. Regarding models I was looking at.... last July I could find very few Brazilian websites with info on USB TV-Tuner sticks, and that info was very dated. The most useful forum was htforum.com (inPortuguese - so use GoogleTranslate) I saw some models also using Dibcom chipset (PixelView PlayTV USB SBTVD (Full-Seg)) (maybe a rebadged Geniatech) chipset name 'DIB8076'. It did not get good reviews, weak reception, much criticism of the packaged software, proprietary file format - not in same class as the Elgato based software supplied with a Terratec DVB-T I bought in the UK in 2006. As the reviews dated 2009, this model is at least 5years old. I came across a reference to a newer chipset, the DIB8090, used in a 'VISUS TV Duo' with ArcSoftTotalMedia3.5 review dated 2010, (twin-tuners) not much newer than the previous stick, and still not getting good reviews, awfull Remote Control. I looked on the DibCom.fr site then, and say both the above replaced by an 'Octopus' family, claiming to work universally. I emailed them for a list of OEM's using their latest ISDB-T chipset, but no reply. I have since seen they are taken over by Parrot, now focussing on car technology, no mention of TV-Tuners, so maybe they have ceased making ISDB-T chipsets. I had great hopes of AverMedia as they have multinational offices & amke TV-Tuners for UK & USA so thought a chance they may have a high-quality ISDB-T USB Tuner. From the 3 models on their site, I thought the H868 or H869 may be a good choice. [url]http://avertv.avermedia.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=537[/url] It uses their own viewing software 'AverTV', no mention of BDA driver. I guess it is at least 4 years old from refs in htforum going back to Jan. 2011. They go on about 3D a lot, (no interest to me) but the datasheet is missing important data, like does it support FHD as well as SD or HD. Can find no User Manual to download. Cannot see if it records in formats readable by other players eg MKV, MP4 etc. htforum mini-review of H868 in 2010 is quite -ve: obscure .POS record format preventing editing or converson to popular formats, and won't work with other programs like WMC - but some commenters say it works with DVBViewer, some say WMC, so much confusion. Problem with a 2010 'review' is most commenters are refering to Analog mode as Digital was uncommon in Brazil then. The thread continues to 2013, but I see many complain about the naff .POS recording still a problem. So maybe AverMedia not a good choice. I am surprised not to see any recent (last 2 years) reviews of new ISDB-T Tuners in htforum or elsewhere. Since my initial post to you, seen 4 further references: 1) the Digibest ISDB-T2037 ([url]http://www.digibest-tech.com/products/detail.php?pid=220&cid=74&f=1[/url]) which states BDA architecture, is low-power (<270mW) subtitle support, but again, no mention if it supports 'FHD' also a curious statement Video Frame Rate 15 fps by broadcaster - dont understand that. Also don't quite understand 'Mini Pal input connector'. An external antenna socket is essential. Cannot find independant reviews. 2) Hauppauge PCTV 910E - looks a bit dated, and unlinked from their mainproduct page. ([url]http://www.hauppauge.com/latam/data_pctv910e.html[/url]) which at least says supports 1080i & SD, Records in MPEG-4, but no mention of BDA driver 3) Silicon Labs Si218x2 Dual ISDB-T demodulators - new chipset, prob too new to see in products (digitaltvnews.com January 2015) 4) [url]http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/08/16/review-of-wetek-play-android-dvb-s2-satellite-receiver/[/url] It is an Android TV box with a choice of integral TV-Tuner module including ISDB-T, and as such, is a standalone, not employing a host PC. The above link is an early review. Shame its using an older AMLogic 8726 Cortex A9 - I am sure I have seen review of other Cortex A9 based Android boxes struggling to display FHD video without judder, so this a bit worrying. Datasheet: [url]https://wetek.com/wetek_basic.pdf[/url] it says works with Android, Linux, Kodi. Does that mean it uses BDA driver ? Having only just seen it, have not yet tried contacting them. I read Chinese sites have poor/non-existant support Although costing more than the previous 3 refs, if I can find it in Brazil, and there are favourable independant reviews showing it does not stutter on FHD, then perhaps best choice as an all-in-one. Looking at rest of your post, I am not sure what PVR-backend (s) are available that support ISDB-T, your link shows none. The Prolink & your link above it refer to the PixelView that got bad reviews in 2009. Your link to the Argentina post is interesting; I see 1 person asking why talk DVB-T when S. America is ISDB-T. I was confused why does one need to tediously manually enter TV station frequencies into a list, when my 9 year old Terratec, all I needed to do was click 'Tune' and it autoscanned the whole spectrum, automatically saving all stations (over 100) in its memory as it went. Think I am now guessing that to 'fool' MP into working with a ISDB Tuner, one aspect is, the channel autoscan/save is not compatible, hence need to skip autotune, and either copy from a source, or manually write the TV Frequency file - is that correct ? That post is 2012, and Digital rollout in the Northeast of Brazil has been very slow, only 4 channels in 2012. Also note the Argentinian user wasn't having much success and didnt revisit site after last post. Your next link dated 2009 mentions a TBS isdb-t (USB) tuner. I visited tbsdtv.com and they no longer show a USB ISDBT-T tuner, only a card tuner, and being mobile, I do not use a desktop. However the thread was interesting in that in 2011 when another asks him a question, he replies don't use MP anymore, no support for ISDB-T. Your next link refers to a Brazil user with a card type tuner where 'DucaSP' solved problem in 2010 So looks like the first line of your reply may be the most fruitful if you can comment on the list of models I mentioned. The only negative to my 9 year old Terratec, apart from Terratec advising it was compatible with Brazil analog TV before I bought, except it wasn't, is it ran quite hot (spec 2.5W) and I needed to select the bulky .TS record format to avoid stutter. I would have thought the newest ISDB-T chipsets should run cooler and support the more useful MKV or MP4 recording. The 2 AverMedia models do state a low 270mA consumption, and the DigiBest an extremely (incredibly?) low 80mA ! The Silicon Labs chipset sounds very good, but could be many months before retail product available. Would it be safe to assume that if a USB ISDB-T tuner uses a BDA driver, then it will work with ANY 'TV Tuner Player' software that also uses the BDA interface ? I was thinking I could at least rely on my existing '[I]Home Cinema[/I]' (Elgato) App that came with my BDA Driver Terratec, to get started. Is there a way to list MP forum members IN Brazil who made recent posts ? I clicked on 'Notable Members'; they are mostly in Europe, which is DVB of course, non in S. America. Is there any development of MP to support the ISDB-T standard ? [/QUOTE]
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