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<blockquote data-quote="mm1352000" data-source="post: 1121498" data-attributes="member: 82144"><p>Your post is very long (!!!) I don't have time to respond in full to everything now, and I will be away for 6 days after today.</p><p>In general I feel like you're being very picky. While I understand that you want a good tuner, there are no guarantees in this life. Sometimes you just have to take a risk. Nobody can give you all the answers you are looking for. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>Some short comments...</p><p></p><p>It makes sense to check reviews if possible. I too would want to avoid tuners with poor sensitivity, though really it is a bit difficult to know the problem is not weak signal at the tester's location. So, be <em>very </em>careful reading too much into such comments.</p><p></p><p>If you're going to use MP I would ignore comments about the bundled software.</p><p></p><p>About remote controls: my recommendation would be to buy a separate MCE-compatible remote. Most tuner remote controls are not that great and/or won't work out of the box with anything other than the vendor's TV software. It is just a fact of life.</p><p></p><p>About AVerMedia: I installed the driver for the H869. It is definitely a BDA driver, and it looks like it would expose a DVB-T tuner interface. In other words, I suspect it would be compatible with MP. Note: I can't make any guarantee.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Age of a tuner would not make any difference for me. As long as the driver is good, it seems irrelevant.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Tuners do not know the difference between SD, HD, 3D etc. That is a feature/limitation of the viewer software (eg. AVerTV, MP). In other words, if you see a tuner that claims "supports full HD" it is a marketing gimic.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ummm, look at the user manual tab on the product page? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p><a href="http://avertv.avermedia.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=537&tab=UserManual" target="_blank">http://avertv.avermedia.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=537&tab=UserManual</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Same as HD vs. SD: this is a viewer/recorder software feature/limitation. It has nothing to do with the tuner. For the record, MP records TS files only. You can transcode or change container with other freely available software. Most DVB/ATSC software records only TS.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As above for full HD - forget about that. It is not a tuner feature. Same for FPS. The video and audio format depend on the broadcaster, and the tuner does not know about them. If it is compatible with ISDB-T then it is enough.</p><p>About the "mini PAL input": it means the aerial connection is a small one.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As above, ignore all the marketing gimicry with 1080i etc.</p><p>I can't imagine Hauppauge creating a non-BDA driver. They have been a Microsoft partner for years.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. Way too new.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This looks like a set top box. As such, it would be an alternative to MP rather than something you would use with MP.</p><p>For the record: Android means not BDA. BDA is Windows only. No comment about XBMC, Linux etc. - you can ask on the Kodi forum if you want to know about Kodi.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I can't tell you about Kodi. If you want to know about Kodi, ask on their forum. Also, I already said the tables in that link are incomplete or incorrect.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Products improve over time. New drivers can change a lot. Don't assume that reviews from 2009 are still true now.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, not correct.</p><p>The TerraTec software probably has frequency tables just like TV Server. When you clicked "tune", it just scanned the frequencies in the table. TV Server is missing the frequency table. Once you add the table (which takes 2 minutes - hardly tedious) you can click "scan" and it should find all the stations just like the Terratec software.</p><p></p><p></p><p>TS is just a container. It is no bulker than MP4 or MKV. The reason you got stutter is probably that the other options re-encoded the video and/or audio.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As above, the tuner/chipset does not control TS vs. MKV vs. MP4. TS is the native broadcast format, so most PVR software will create TS recordings. There is plenty of software out there to convert to other formats if you want to do that.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I will not make any guarantees about things that are outside my control. BDA, TerraTec, ISDB-T, tuners, drivers, Kodi, Elgato... all outside my control.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not that I know of.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This question makes no sense to me.</p><p>I already explained to you that MP only supports BDA tuners.</p><p>Here you can see that BDA fundamentally has little or no support for ISDB; only DVB, ATSC and analog are supported:</p><p><a href="https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd695324(v=vs.85).aspx" target="_blank">https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd695324(v=vs.85).aspx</a></p><p></p><p>I told you that some ISDB tuners exist and are supported because they pretend to be DVB-T tuners.</p><p>We cannot change or improve Microsoft's BDA; only work with it. So, there is little or nothing that we can develop in MP to support ISDB-T.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mm1352000, post: 1121498, member: 82144"] Your post is very long (!!!) I don't have time to respond in full to everything now, and I will be away for 6 days after today. In general I feel like you're being very picky. While I understand that you want a good tuner, there are no guarantees in this life. Sometimes you just have to take a risk. Nobody can give you all the answers you are looking for. ;) Some short comments... It makes sense to check reviews if possible. I too would want to avoid tuners with poor sensitivity, though really it is a bit difficult to know the problem is not weak signal at the tester's location. So, be [I]very [/I]careful reading too much into such comments. If you're going to use MP I would ignore comments about the bundled software. About remote controls: my recommendation would be to buy a separate MCE-compatible remote. Most tuner remote controls are not that great and/or won't work out of the box with anything other than the vendor's TV software. It is just a fact of life. About AVerMedia: I installed the driver for the H869. It is definitely a BDA driver, and it looks like it would expose a DVB-T tuner interface. In other words, I suspect it would be compatible with MP. Note: I can't make any guarantee. Age of a tuner would not make any difference for me. As long as the driver is good, it seems irrelevant. Tuners do not know the difference between SD, HD, 3D etc. That is a feature/limitation of the viewer software (eg. AVerTV, MP). In other words, if you see a tuner that claims "supports full HD" it is a marketing gimic. Ummm, look at the user manual tab on the product page? ;) [url]http://avertv.avermedia.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=537&tab=UserManual[/url] Same as HD vs. SD: this is a viewer/recorder software feature/limitation. It has nothing to do with the tuner. For the record, MP records TS files only. You can transcode or change container with other freely available software. Most DVB/ATSC software records only TS. As above for full HD - forget about that. It is not a tuner feature. Same for FPS. The video and audio format depend on the broadcaster, and the tuner does not know about them. If it is compatible with ISDB-T then it is enough. About the "mini PAL input": it means the aerial connection is a small one. As above, ignore all the marketing gimicry with 1080i etc. I can't imagine Hauppauge creating a non-BDA driver. They have been a Microsoft partner for years. I agree. Way too new. This looks like a set top box. As such, it would be an alternative to MP rather than something you would use with MP. For the record: Android means not BDA. BDA is Windows only. No comment about XBMC, Linux etc. - you can ask on the Kodi forum if you want to know about Kodi. I can't tell you about Kodi. If you want to know about Kodi, ask on their forum. Also, I already said the tables in that link are incomplete or incorrect. Products improve over time. New drivers can change a lot. Don't assume that reviews from 2009 are still true now. No, not correct. The TerraTec software probably has frequency tables just like TV Server. When you clicked "tune", it just scanned the frequencies in the table. TV Server is missing the frequency table. Once you add the table (which takes 2 minutes - hardly tedious) you can click "scan" and it should find all the stations just like the Terratec software. TS is just a container. It is no bulker than MP4 or MKV. The reason you got stutter is probably that the other options re-encoded the video and/or audio. As above, the tuner/chipset does not control TS vs. MKV vs. MP4. TS is the native broadcast format, so most PVR software will create TS recordings. There is plenty of software out there to convert to other formats if you want to do that. I will not make any guarantees about things that are outside my control. BDA, TerraTec, ISDB-T, tuners, drivers, Kodi, Elgato... all outside my control. Not that I know of. This question makes no sense to me. I already explained to you that MP only supports BDA tuners. Here you can see that BDA fundamentally has little or no support for ISDB; only DVB, ATSC and analog are supported: [url]https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd695324(v=vs.85).aspx[/url] I told you that some ISDB tuners exist and are supported because they pretend to be DVB-T tuners. We cannot change or improve Microsoft's BDA; only work with it. So, there is little or nothing that we can develop in MP to support ISDB-T. [/QUOTE]
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