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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Paranoid Delusion" data-source="post: 635651" data-attributes="member: 13176">Weird really, although I have experienced issues in the past, these have been graph related, as in a change in the way graph was released on both tuners properly, otherwise the 20 second delay and reinitiliase tuner always worked for me.This is a bit more deep seated hardware wise, just think some motherboards did not like the Via usb controller at all.Interested to see how you get on with the blackgold, are they now releasing it to normal vendors, or have you got access to oem <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>