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<blockquote data-quote="hansb" data-source="post: 78165" data-attributes="member: 24717"><p>Very interesting and valueable information SpeedFreak. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p>I have no plans of going completely fan less though. I know how much that </p><p>air flow means to mainboard cooling, graphics, RAM etc. </p><p>Are you sure that the problem really is the 6150? Heatpipes and all, if you</p><p>can not get the hot air _out_ of the case it will stay in the case and cause</p><p>other damage. I do not believe that any case is self-ventilated enough to</p><p>dispatch the heat from an AMD X2 + graphics + RAM etc.</p><p>I would really recommend some sort of low speed/noise fan and evaluate</p><p>the system again. Maybe some of your problems are still heat releated,</p><p>and even if it works ok today, the components may degrade much faster</p><p>at finally fail on you completely. Have you measured the temperature inside</p><p>the case recently?</p><p></p><p>You said you mounted extra heatpipes on your 6150? Do you have some</p><p>product data I can use to search for it in Sweden? Maybe I should stock on</p><p>one of those just in case. It is also a matter of fitting everything in the case.</p><p>What heatpipe/heatsink do you use for the CPU? </p><p>The HDD silencer/cooler occupies a 5.25" slot does it not? That is N/A in my</p><p>systems since there are no hidden 5.25" slots available, only 3.5" <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /> </p><p></p><p>What strikes me is your small PSU, are you sure it provides enough stable</p><p>power/system? 300W seems a little bit short. Only the X2 CPU eats 89W at</p><p>maximum freq. This is one of the reasons I have choosen the AM2 solution,</p><p>this means I can use AMDs 35W series, there is an X2 variant of that too,</p><p>but that costs 4 times as much. </p><p></p><p>Again, thanks for you feedback, those links I will keep in a safe place <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>PS. Have you tried this, from <a href="http://www.amd.com:" target="_blank">www.amd.com:</a></p><p><em>"AMD Dual-Core Optimizer - The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer can help improve some PC gaming video performance by compensating for those applications that bypass the Windows API for timing by directly using the RDTSC (Read Time Stamp Counter) instruction. Applications that rely on RDTSC do not benefit from the logic in the operating system to properly account for the affect of power management mechanisms on the rate at which a processor core's Time Stamp Counter (TSC) is incremented. The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer helps to correct the resulting video performance effects or other incorrect timing effects that these applications may experience on dual-core processor systems, by periodically adjusting the core time-stamp-counters, so that they are synchronized."</em></p><p><a href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/utilities/Setup.exe" target="_blank">http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/utilities/Setup.exe</a></p><p></p><p>I myself have some experience in programming real-time systems heavily depending on</p><p>the RDTSC. If reading this counter gives a false picture due to variable CPU frequency and it is not compensated for using some other clock source, lots of problems and timing issues arise. If you have not tested this fix yet. Do it. It will not hurt.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hansb, post: 78165, member: 24717"] Very interesting and valueable information SpeedFreak. :thx: I have no plans of going completely fan less though. I know how much that air flow means to mainboard cooling, graphics, RAM etc. Are you sure that the problem really is the 6150? Heatpipes and all, if you can not get the hot air _out_ of the case it will stay in the case and cause other damage. I do not believe that any case is self-ventilated enough to dispatch the heat from an AMD X2 + graphics + RAM etc. I would really recommend some sort of low speed/noise fan and evaluate the system again. Maybe some of your problems are still heat releated, and even if it works ok today, the components may degrade much faster at finally fail on you completely. Have you measured the temperature inside the case recently? You said you mounted extra heatpipes on your 6150? Do you have some product data I can use to search for it in Sweden? Maybe I should stock on one of those just in case. It is also a matter of fitting everything in the case. What heatpipe/heatsink do you use for the CPU? The HDD silencer/cooler occupies a 5.25" slot does it not? That is N/A in my systems since there are no hidden 5.25" slots available, only 3.5" :( What strikes me is your small PSU, are you sure it provides enough stable power/system? 300W seems a little bit short. Only the X2 CPU eats 89W at maximum freq. This is one of the reasons I have choosen the AM2 solution, this means I can use AMDs 35W series, there is an X2 variant of that too, but that costs 4 times as much. Again, thanks for you feedback, those links I will keep in a safe place ;) PS. Have you tried this, from [url]www.amd.com:[/url] [I]"AMD Dual-Core Optimizer - The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer can help improve some PC gaming video performance by compensating for those applications that bypass the Windows API for timing by directly using the RDTSC (Read Time Stamp Counter) instruction. Applications that rely on RDTSC do not benefit from the logic in the operating system to properly account for the affect of power management mechanisms on the rate at which a processor core's Time Stamp Counter (TSC) is incremented. The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer helps to correct the resulting video performance effects or other incorrect timing effects that these applications may experience on dual-core processor systems, by periodically adjusting the core time-stamp-counters, so that they are synchronized."[/I] [URL="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/utilities/Setup.exe"]http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/utilities/Setup.exe[/URL] I myself have some experience in programming real-time systems heavily depending on the RDTSC. If reading this counter gives a false picture due to variable CPU frequency and it is not compensated for using some other clock source, lots of problems and timing issues arise. If you have not tested this fix yet. Do it. It will not hurt. [/QUOTE]
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