Remote client works, local MP instance doesn't (analog card) (1 Viewer)

la taupe

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MediaPortal Version: 1.1.3.0
MediaPortal Skin: Blue3wide 1.1.0.0
Windows Version: XP SP3
CPU Type: AMD 64 X 4850e (2500Mhz)
HDD: WD 1000GB
Memory: 4 GB
Motherboard: Asus M3N78-VM
Video Card: NVidia GeForce 8200
Video Card Driver: 6.14.12.7533
Sound Card: Nvidia MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio
Sound Card AC3: (HDMI)
Sound Card Driver: 6.14.12.7533
1. TV Card: Mystique Cabix (KNC One)
1. TV Card Type: DVB-C
1. TV Card Driver: 2.0.1016.0
2. TV Card: Pinnacle PCTV 2001e (Sony PlayTV)
2. TV Card Type: DVB-T
2. TV Card Driver: 3.7.0.1
3. TV Card: KNC ONE TV Station Pro/RDS (BDA)
3. TV Card Type: analog
3. TV Card Driver: 1.3.3.0
4. TV Card:
4. TV Card Type:
4. TV Card Driver:
MPEG2 Video Codec: PDVD 11 ?
MPEG2 Audio Codec: PDVD 11 ?
h.264 Video Codec:
Satelite/CableTV Provider: Kabel Deutschland
HTPC Case:
Cooling:
Power Supply:
Remote:
TV:
TV - HTPC Connection: HDMI

To hunt this down I disabled all working cards and concentrate on the analog one (see above). With a freshly restarted server a remote client (W7 x64, if it matters) has no problems watching. Yet, the MediaPortal application that is running on the same machine shows at most a frozen image (and no sound) or reports no video/audio detected. After getting this error locally (on the sever) the client also gets it. I am at a loss.

I am hesitant to post all debug logs, but this might be of relevance (from tvserver_error.log):

Code:
[SetupTv(1)]: Exception   :System.NullReferenceException: Der Objektverweis wurde nicht auf eine Objektinstanz festgelegt.
(Object reference not set to an instance of an object.)

I was very glad to get an analog card working at all. I feel like only a tiny thing is missing. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 

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    Hi la taupe

    I am hesitant to post all debug logs...
    Please don't ever be hesitant - it is better for us to have too much information than not enough. The line from the tvserver_error.log looks suspicious, but to know the cause we need the context from the other log files.

    I was very glad to get an analog card working at all. I feel like only a tiny thing is missing. Any help is greatly appreciated.
    Yes, you have done well to get so far! It may well only be a small problem, but like I said, we need the full set of logs to be sure...

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    Hi again la taupe

    Thank you for the logs. :D

    After looking carefully through the TV Server log I think the problem is nothing to do with the null reference exception. I think the problem is very likely to be with the Intervideo encoders. The following log section contains a successful tune and then a failed tune, but there are no errors throughout:

    [COLLAPSE]2011-06-13 21:07:12.709352 [(16)]: Controller: find free card for channel VOX

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.724977 [(16)]: Controller: got 1 tuning details for VOX

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.740602 [(16)]: Controller: channel #1 tv:VOX Freq:0 Channel:34 Country:Germany Tuner:Cable Video:Tuner Audio:Automatic

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.740602 [(16)]: Controller: card:1 type:DvbIP is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.756227 [(16)]: Controller: card:2 type:DvbC is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.756227 [(16)]: Controller: card:3 type:DvbT is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.771852 [(16)]: Controller: card:4 type:DvbT is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.787477 [(16)]: Controller: card:5 type:RadioWebStream is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.803102 [(16)]: Controller: card:7 type:Analog is available priority:1 #users:0 same transponder:True

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.803102 [(16)]: Controller: found 1 available

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.818727 [(16)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetAvailableCardsForChannel took 100 msec

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.834352 [(16)]: Controller: TimeShiftingWouldUseCard VOX 389

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.834352 [(16)]: Controller: find free card for channel VOX

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.849977 [(16)]: Controller: got 1 tuning details for VOX

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.865602 [(16)]: Controller: channel #1 tv:VOX Freq:0 Channel:34 Country:Germany Tuner:Cable Video:Tuner Audio:Automatic

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.865602 [(16)]: Controller: card:1 type:DvbIP is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.881227 [(16)]: Controller: card:2 type:DvbC is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.881227 [(16)]: Controller: card:3 type:DvbT is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.896852 [(16)]: Controller: card:4 type:DvbT is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.896852 [(16)]: Controller: card:5 type:RadioWebStream is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.912477 [(16)]: Controller: card:7 type:Analog is available priority:1 #users:0 same transponder:True

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.928102 [(16)]: Controller: found 1 available

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.928102 [(16)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetAvailableCardsForChannel took 93 msec

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.943727 [(16)]: CiMenuSupported called cardid 7

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.943727 [(16)]: CiMenuSupported card 713x BDA Analog TV Tuner supported: False

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.959352 [(16)]: Controller: StartTimeShifting VOX 389

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.974977 [(16)]: Controller: find free card for channel VOX

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.990602 [(16)]: Controller: got 1 tuning details for VOX

    2011-06-13 21:07:12.990602 [(16)]: Controller: channel #1 tv:VOX Freq:0 Channel:34 Country:Germany Tuner:Cable Video:Tuner Audio:Automatic

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.006227 [(16)]: Controller: card:1 type:DvbIP is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.021852 [(16)]: Controller: card:2 type:DvbC is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.021852 [(16)]: Controller: card:3 type:DvbT is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.037477 [(16)]: Controller: card:4 type:DvbT is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.037477 [(16)]: Controller: card:5 type:RadioWebStream is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.053102 [(16)]: Controller: card:7 type:Analog is available priority:1 #users:0 same transponder:True

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.053102 [(16)]: Controller: found 1 available

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.068727 [(16)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetAvailableCardsForChannel took 89 msec

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.084352 [(16)]: card: CardTune 7 VOX hal2009:7:-1

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.084352 [(16)]: card: Tune 7 to VOX

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.099977 [(16)]: card: user: hal2009:7:-1 tune tv:VOX Freq:0 Channel:34 Country:Germany Tuner:Cable Video:Tuner Audio:Automatic

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.115602 [(16)]: analog: Tune:tv:VOX Freq:0 Channel:34 Country:Germany Tuner:Cable Video:Tuner Audio:Automatic

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.115602 [(16)]: analog:GetNewSubChannel:0 #0

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.146852 [(16)]: analog subch:0 OnBeforeTune

    2011-06-13 21:07:13.256227 [(16)]: Analog: Tuned to country:49 video:273250000 Hz audio:278750000 Hz locked:True

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.178102 [(16)]: analog subch:0 OnAfterTune

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.193727 [(16)]: analog subch:0 OnGraphStart

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.224977 [(16)]: analog: RunGraph

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.271852 [(16)]: analog: RunGraph succeeded

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.381227 [(16)]: analog: LockedInOnSignal ok

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.381227 [(16)]: analog subch:0 OnGraphStarted

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.506227 [(16)]: card: Tuner locked: True

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.506227 [(16)]: **************************************************

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.724977 [(16)]: ***** SIGNAL LEVEL: 100, SIGNAL QUALITY: 100 *****

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.740602 [(16)]: **************************************************

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.740602 [(16)]: card: tuned user: hal2009 subchannel: 0

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.756227 [(16)]: user:hal2009 add

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.771852 [(16)]: card2:hal2009 7 0

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.771852 [(16)]: Controller: hal2009 7 0

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.787477 [(16)]: control2:hal2009 7 0

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.818727 [(16)]: Controller: delete timeshift files L:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\timeshiftbuffer\live7-0.ts

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.834352 [(16)]: Controller: delete L:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\timeshiftbuffer\live7-0.ts.tsbuffer

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.834352 [(16)]: Controller: delete L:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\timeshiftbuffer\live7-0.ts.tsbuffer1.ts

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.849977 [(16)]: ControllerActiveHandler: Got event StartTimeShifting - SetAwayMode(False)

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.896852 [(16)]: card: StartTimeShifting 7 L:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\timeshiftbuffer\live7-0.ts

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.896852 [(16)]: card: CAM enabled : False

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.912477 [(16)]: analog: Encoder mode setting to ConstantBitRate

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.928102 [(16)]: analog: Encoder mode set to ConstantBitRate

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.928102 [(16)]: analog: Encoder BitRate setting to Default

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.943727 [(16)]: analog: Encoder BitRate Min 65536 Max 80000000 Delta 1024

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.943727 [(16)]: analog: Encoder BitRate set to 6553600

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.959352 [(16)]: analog:confused:etTimeShiftFileName:L:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\timeshiftbuffer\live7-0.ts

    2011-06-13 21:07:14.974977 [(16)]: analog:confused:etTimeShiftFileName: uses .ts

    2011-06-13 21:07:15.021852 [(16)]: card: WaitForTimeShiftFile - waiting _eventAudio & _eventVideo

    2011-06-13 21:07:15.412477 [TS_File_Cleanup(6)]: card: delete timeshift files \live7-0.ts

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.021852 [(15)]: PID seen - type = Audio

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.021852 [(15)]: audioVideoEventHandler Audio

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.037477 [(15)]: PID seen - type = Video

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.037477 [(15)]: audioVideoEventHandler Video

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.053102 [(16)]: card: WaitForTimeShiftFile - video and audio are seen after 1,03125 seconds

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.068727 [(16)]: TimeshiftingEPG: channel VOX is not configured for grabbing epg

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.099977 [(16)]: user:hal2009 card:7 sub:0 add stream:L:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\timeshiftbuffer\live7-0.ts.tsbuffer

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.099977 [(16)]: RTSP: add stream stream7.0 file:L:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\timeshiftbuffer\live7-0.ts.tsbuffer

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.115602 [(16)]: Controller: StartTimeShifting started on card:7 to L:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\timeshiftbuffer\live7-0.ts.tsbuffer

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.131227 [Channel state thread(18)]: Controller: DoSetChannelStates for 99 channels

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.146852 [(16)]: CiMenuSupported called cardid 7

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.162477 [(16)]: CiMenuSupported card 713x BDA Analog TV Tuner supported: False

    2011-06-13 21:07:16.521852 [Channel state thread(18)]: ChannelStates.DoSetChannelStates took 380 msec

    2011-06-13 21:07:20.428102 [TS_File_Cleanup(6)]: card: delete timeshift files \live7-0.ts

    2011-06-13 21:07:25.459352 [TS_File_Cleanup(6)]: card: delete timeshift files \live7-0.ts

    2011-06-13 21:07:30.474977 [TS_File_Cleanup(6)]: card: delete timeshift files \live7-0.ts

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.756227 [(4)]: Controller: TimeShiftingWouldUseCard kabel eins 343

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.771852 [(4)]: Controller: find free card for channel kabel eins

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.803102 [(4)]: Controller: got 1 tuning details for kabel eins

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.818727 [(4)]: Controller: channel #1 tv:kabel eins Freq:0 Channel:19 Country:Germany Tuner:Cable Video:Tuner Audio:Automatic

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.834352 [(4)]: Controller: card:1 type:DvbIP is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.849977 [(4)]: Controller: card:2 type:DvbC is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.849977 [(4)]: Controller: card:3 type:DvbT is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.865602 [(4)]: Controller: card:4 type:DvbT is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.865602 [(4)]: Controller: card:5 type:RadioWebStream is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.881227 [(4)]: Controller: card:7 type:Analog is available priority:1 #users:0 same transponder:True

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.881227 [(4)]: Controller: found 1 available

    2011-06-13 21:09:11.896852 [(4)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetAvailableCardsForChannel took 126 msec

    2011-06-13 21:09:12.959352 [(4)]: Controller: StartTimeShifting kabel eins 343

    2011-06-13 21:09:12.990602 [(4)]: Controller: find free card for channel kabel eins

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.006227 [(4)]: Controller: got 1 tuning details for kabel eins

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.021852 [(4)]: Controller: channel #1 tv:kabel eins Freq:0 Channel:19 Country:Germany Tuner:Cable Video:Tuner Audio:Automatic

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.053102 [(4)]: Controller: card:1 type:DvbIP is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.068727 [(4)]: Controller: card:2 type:DvbC is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.068727 [(4)]: Controller: card:3 type:DvbT is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.084352 [(4)]: Controller: card:4 type:DvbT is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.084352 [(4)]: Controller: card:5 type:RadioWebStream is disabled

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.099977 [(4)]: Controller: card:7 type:Analog is available priority:1 #users:0 same transponder:True

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.115602 [(4)]: Controller: found 1 available

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.115602 [(4)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetAvailableCardsForChannel took 134 msec

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.131227 [(4)]: tvcard:FreeSubChannel: subchannels count 1 subch#0 keep graph=True

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.131227 [(4)]: tvcard:FreeSubChannel :0 - is timeshifting (skipped)

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.146852 [(4)]: card: CardTune 7 kabel eins hal2009:7:-1

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.162477 [(4)]: card: Tune 7 to kabel eins

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.162477 [(4)]: card: user: hal2009:7:0 tune tv:kabel eins Freq:0 Channel:19 Country:Germany Tuner:Cable Video:Tuner Audio:Automatic

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.178102 [(4)]: card: to different transponder

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.193727 [(4)]: analog: Tune:tv:kabel eins Freq:0 Channel:19 Country:Germany Tuner:Cable Video:Tuner Audio:Automatic

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.193727 [(4)]: analog subch:0 OnBeforeTune

    2011-06-13 21:09:13.599977 [(4)]: Analog: Tuned to country:49 video:168250000 Hz audio:173750000 Hz locked:True

    2011-06-13 21:09:14.506227 [(4)]: analog subch:0 OnAfterTune

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.521852 [(4)]: analog: LockedInOnSignal ok

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.521852 [(4)]: analog subch:0 OnGraphStart

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.631227 [(4)]: card: Tuner locked: True

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.646852 [(4)]: **************************************************

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.849977 [(4)]: ***** SIGNAL LEVEL: 100, SIGNAL QUALITY: 100 *****

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.865602 [(4)]: **************************************************

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.865602 [(4)]: card: tuned user: hal2009 subchannel: 0

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.881227 [(4)]: user:hal2009 add

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.896852 [(4)]: card2:hal2009 7 0

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.896852 [(4)]: Controller: hal2009 7 0

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.912477 [(4)]: control2:hal2009 7 0

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.928102 [(4)]: ControllerActiveHandler: Got event StartTimeShifting - SetAwayMode(False)

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.959352 [(4)]: card: StartTimeShifting 7 L:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\timeshiftbuffer\live7-0.ts

    2011-06-13 21:09:16.974977 [(4)]: card: CAM enabled : False

    2011-06-13 21:09:17.006227 [(4)]: card: WaitForTimeShiftFile - waiting _eventAudio & _eventVideo

    2011-06-13 21:09:32.021852 [(4)]: card: WaitForTimeShiftFile - no audio was found after 15,015625 seconds

    2011-06-13 21:09:32.053102 [(4)]: card 713x BDA Analog TV Tuner: StopTimeShifting user:hal2009 sub:0

    2011-06-13 21:09:32.068727 [(4)]: card: StopTimeShifting user:hal2009 sub:0

    2011-06-13 21:09:32.099977 [(4)]: card not IDLE - removing user: hal2009

    2011-06-13 21:09:32.115602 [(4)]: user:hal2009 remove

    2011-06-13 21:09:32.131227 [(4)]: analog: StopTimeShifting()

    2011-06-13 21:09:32.209352 [(4)]: tvcard:FreeSubChannel: subchannels count 1 subch#0 keep graph=False

    2011-06-13 21:09:32.209352 [(4)]: analog subch:0 Decompose()

    2011-06-13 21:09:32.240602 [(4)]: tvcard:FreeSubChannel : no subchannels present, stopping graph

    2011-06-13 21:09:32.256227 [(4)]: tvcard:FreeAllSubChannels

    2011-06-13 21:09:33.131227 [(4)]: analog: StopGraph state:Running

    2011-06-13 21:09:33.881227 [(4)]: analog: Graph stopped

    2011-06-13 21:09:33.896852 [(4)]: tvcard:FreeAllSubChannels

    2011-06-13 21:09:33.896852 [TS_File_Cleanup(17)]: card: delete timeshift files \live7-0.ts

    2011-06-13 21:09:33.912477 [(4)]: analog: StopGraph state:confused:topped

    2011-06-13 21:09:33.912477 [(4)]: user:hal2009 remove[/COLLAPSE]

    All that we see to know something has gone wrong is the line that a highlighted - "no audio found...". Why would there be no audio found? There are very few causes of that, and by *far* the most common of those is encoder problems. There are two things that you could try:

    1. Rebuild graph between each tune.
    This option will effectively reset the encoders before each tuning. Channel changing will be much slower though. Instructions for trying that are -->here<--.

    2. Try different encoders.
    This option is probably a better solution because it won't affect your other cards like the first option will. Finding alternative encoders for 1.1.3 could be difficult though. You could use the free ATI AVIVO encoders if you were using MP 1.2.0b.

    mm
     

    la taupe

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    Thanks mm,

    Your analysis is conclusive. From what I know the audio from my analog card is hard to capture. I found no settings where I could enter the card's specific settings. I read somewhere that there exists a KNCTON.exe or TON.exe that may be of help and that came with the software that originally accompanied the card. Yet, alas, I just got the card from eBay.

    I can get to audio using K!TV and, weirdly, when watching with a remote MediaPortal instance. I will try rebuilding the graph and will report back.

    la taupe
     

    la taupe

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    Thank you again for the help, mate. :D

    1. Rebuild graph between each tune.

    After one quick restart of the server that seems to do the trick.

    2. Try different encoders.
    This option is probably a better solution because it won't affect your other cards like the first option will. Finding alternative encoders for 1.1.3 could be difficult though. You could use the free ATI AVIVO encoders if you were using MP 1.2.0b.

    I usually do not shy away from trying betas. Is there a way to back up my 1.1.3 settings in case that I want/need to downgrade again? Is there a not too complicated downgrade path?

    Regards

    la taupe
     

    la taupe

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    After one quick restart of the server that seems to do the trick.

    Actually it didn't. :(

    Now it is not working neither locally nor remotely (logs attached, relevant should only be everything from June 15). I would assume that if I restart the server it would work again for a while.

    Is there somewhere a setting where I can set up audio tuning for my analog card? I have the feeling that this is related to my problem.

    la taupe
     

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    Hi la taupe

    Based on your logs I would say that the setting has not been applied. The graph is not being rebuilt at all. I'm at work at the moment - give me an hour or so to get home and then I will be able to check my own tuners and the code to confirm that the setting works for analog tuners.

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    Hi again

    It seems that the setting doesn't quite work how I expected. :sorry:
    Firstly, it doesn't reset the graph between channel changes, and secondly it doesn't work for analog tuners. So it looks like that option is out (at least without a code change).

    Getting tuners with software encoders to work reliably can be a real pain. Firstly it is sometimes difficult to acquire encoders, as they're not widely sold and they can be quite expensive. They're more often provided with the software that is distributed with the card, or as a part of larger software packages. Encoders are not guaranteed to work with a given tuner. Even if they do work, they may not work reliably as you are discovering - that is often because they are not always designed for real-time use. The encoders that are compatible with TV Server 1.1.x are:

    InterVideo
    Ulead
    MainConcept
    MainConcept (Demo)
    CyberLink
    CyberLink (Twinhan)
    Pinnacle
    MainConcept (Hauppauge)
    NVIDIA
    MainConcept (HCW)

    The Intervideo encoders used to be available from Intervideo WinDVR. They cease to function eventually if you don't register the software, but you can't buy the software any more.
    The Mainconcept encoders are available here. You can try them for free, and the cost is not completely unreasonable. The Hauppauge and HCW (Hauppauge computer works) versions are included in the Hauppauge SoftMCE software. SoftMCE can be downloaded easily but you can't install it unless you have a Hauppauge card. I also find they don't have the best quality and use quite a lot of CPU. I think they are older than the version that MC sells...
    The Cyberlink encoders are not sold separately. You'd have to get them as a part of PowerDirector (or similar), which is *really* expensive and a lot of "bloat" if you only want the encoders. Still, there is a trial available. The Twinhan version of these encoders is an older version that can be downloaded and installed for free (along with a free *old* version of the Cyberlink h.264 codec) from here.
    I'm not certain about the Ulead, Pinnacle or NVidia encoders.

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    Thanks. I'm willing to give the Mainconcept (demo) encoder a spin. Where do I need to set it up that it gets used? I only see settings for digital formats.
     

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