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<blockquote data-quote="samuel337" data-source="post: 111737" data-attributes="member: 10347"><p>Fear? I seriously doubt that. If Microsoft didn't provide the DRM, someone else would. Did they really know nothing behind the Sony/First4Internet rootkit scandal? I doubt that. </p><p></p><p>Also, is macrovision encoding on old VHS movies considered DRM?</p><p></p><p>Why would they watermark when they have something else that actively prevents them?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Microsoft's DRM is by no means easy. Apple's fairplay is much easier, and that's getting more attention in the courts. </p><p></p><p>And yes, I do understand to a certain degree how much effort was needed to really enforce DRM. But as I said before - I'd rather someone who knows Windows inside-out do that than some random hopeful startup. You're right though - Microsoft is using its WMDRM platform as a selling point for Windows I guess, but they're smart enough not to use it as a major one [<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />].</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How are people supposed to consume their favourite artists if they boycott iTunes, all WMA-based music stores, HDDVD, Blu-Ray, copy-controlled CDs (more and more will be)? Unless you're saying 'illegal is ok' of course. Do remember - people are emotionally attached with their favourite songs, artists and movies. They will not just suddenly ignore them just because of some silly obstacle. Like I said before - who hurts the most from all this boycotting? The signed artists who want to concentrate on making music rather than the business side.</p><p></p><p>Those who care already do care. You're only pissing of those who don't care.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're right, Microsoft and Mac include support for these formats to help sell their OSs. Hence this is a big issue for Linux. Question is, if they didn't include support, why won't the companies just distribute the support themselves? I'm just not sold on the power of Microsoft against the media industries. Apple couldn't do it with iTunes, Microsoft couldn't do it with Video Marketplace (which was in a closed-device to start with!). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Accepted. But are you just cashing in on the fact that the media industry was slow to act when CD burners became common? That itself was never legal either.</p><p></p><p>You're right about the quality aspect though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Has to do with the capitalism point. Open source is an exception - no one can control it, no one owns it. Patent systems are fundamental to the capitalism system, otherwise no one can profit from their developments. The relationship was by extension from the point I made about capitalism and DRM.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So can I ask where do you get your music and movies from?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Its not what people think of when they think of DRM - you can blame the media industry for that. And its not standard encryption either - IRM has the ability to lock a document to a certain computer only, to prevent employees from copying data home. And I'm pretty sure you can timebomb documents as well which is helpful as an extra measure. I think the copy/paste feature will be disabled too, as it is in protected PDF files.</p><p></p><p>No DRM/IRM scheme is 100% secure, but it does go a long way to stop opportunistic people. And its a lot more secure than what some companies seem to do with their customer's data.</p><p></p><p>But yes, we can't ban cameras and wipe people's memories. The effort required to do that however, is much more than hitting copy then paste.</p><p></p><p>Sam</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="samuel337, post: 111737, member: 10347"] Fear? I seriously doubt that. If Microsoft didn't provide the DRM, someone else would. Did they really know nothing behind the Sony/First4Internet rootkit scandal? I doubt that. Also, is macrovision encoding on old VHS movies considered DRM? Why would they watermark when they have something else that actively prevents them? Microsoft's DRM is by no means easy. Apple's fairplay is much easier, and that's getting more attention in the courts. And yes, I do understand to a certain degree how much effort was needed to really enforce DRM. But as I said before - I'd rather someone who knows Windows inside-out do that than some random hopeful startup. You're right though - Microsoft is using its WMDRM platform as a selling point for Windows I guess, but they're smart enough not to use it as a major one [:)]. How are people supposed to consume their favourite artists if they boycott iTunes, all WMA-based music stores, HDDVD, Blu-Ray, copy-controlled CDs (more and more will be)? Unless you're saying 'illegal is ok' of course. Do remember - people are emotionally attached with their favourite songs, artists and movies. They will not just suddenly ignore them just because of some silly obstacle. Like I said before - who hurts the most from all this boycotting? The signed artists who want to concentrate on making music rather than the business side. Those who care already do care. You're only pissing of those who don't care. You're right, Microsoft and Mac include support for these formats to help sell their OSs. Hence this is a big issue for Linux. Question is, if they didn't include support, why won't the companies just distribute the support themselves? I'm just not sold on the power of Microsoft against the media industries. Apple couldn't do it with iTunes, Microsoft couldn't do it with Video Marketplace (which was in a closed-device to start with!). Accepted. But are you just cashing in on the fact that the media industry was slow to act when CD burners became common? That itself was never legal either. You're right about the quality aspect though. Has to do with the capitalism point. Open source is an exception - no one can control it, no one owns it. Patent systems are fundamental to the capitalism system, otherwise no one can profit from their developments. The relationship was by extension from the point I made about capitalism and DRM. So can I ask where do you get your music and movies from? Its not what people think of when they think of DRM - you can blame the media industry for that. And its not standard encryption either - IRM has the ability to lock a document to a certain computer only, to prevent employees from copying data home. And I'm pretty sure you can timebomb documents as well which is helpful as an extra measure. I think the copy/paste feature will be disabled too, as it is in protected PDF files. No DRM/IRM scheme is 100% secure, but it does go a long way to stop opportunistic people. And its a lot more secure than what some companies seem to do with their customer's data. But yes, we can't ban cameras and wipe people's memories. The effort required to do that however, is much more than hitting copy then paste. Sam [/QUOTE]
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