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<blockquote data-quote="mm1352000" data-source="post: 987746" data-attributes="member: 82144"><p>Hello again breese</p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Okay.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">If by "encoded" you mean encrypted or scrambled (ie. not clear QAM) then you'd be wrong about MP here.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Those channels should be picked up by scans.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Normally such channels would </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">have a red bubble next to them i</span></span>n the "TV Channels" section of TV Server configuration.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">The fact that you don't see the familiar premium channel names (HBO, ShowTime etc.) from the cable lineup doesn't mean they're not being found. It is just another case where MP doesn't have the information to determine whether the channel is in-the-clear or not, so it assumes they are. Hence, all your channels probably have green bubbles.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">In your MP logs I can see a *lot* of strange errors with TsReader (@<a href="https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/members/owlsroost.83973/" target="_blank">Owlsroost</a> any thoughts???).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">It is possible that MP has a problem with some of your channels where TV Server does not, but we'd only know that if you were to post the TV side logs corresponding with the logs you just posted. Better than that would be to use the watchdog tool:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black"><a href="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/16_Support/3_Forums/2_Log_Files" target="_blank">http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/16_Support/3_Forums/2_Log_Files</a></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">1. Start MP with the watchdog tool.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">2. Go to TV section and attempt to start a channel that won't work.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">3. Start a named channel that you expect to work and watch for 20 seconds.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">4. Close MP.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">5. Post the zip file produced.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">So if I've understood you correctly here, your comparison is to try to get the Unknown channels that work in WinTV to work in MP.</span></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Is that correct?</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Yep, good. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">As mentioned above, this suggests a totally different kind of problem: a communication issue between MP and TV Server. Either network or database related; nothing to do with the channel tuning itself.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Another way to test without involving the MP client would be to use the "manual control" section of TV Server configuration.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">1. Find your channel using the channel group and channel selection boxes.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">2. Click start timeshifting.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">If TV Server is working correctly you should see the above section fill with the channel details, signal strength/quality bars, and the packet counter start to increase.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">You're right - MP doesn't display the service ID or physical channel number in the client.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Our ultimate aim is to display what a cable box or TV would normally display.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Our understanding is that a cable box or TV would show the ATSC virtual channel number - a number that looks like x.y (or x-y).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">We don't have that number, so we don't even try to pretend that we have it.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">The only thing I'd expect to see in the client for those channels is the name of the channel, and that should be 100% the same as what you see in TV Server configuration and in the log files.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">I'm not sure what numbers you're looking at in the client (a screenshot would be helpful! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />) but one thing you should be aware of: <strong>MP doesn't support storing or using ATSC channels numbers with format x.y (or x-y).</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">So to be clear, If you're expecting to see or be able to use 80.399 to select that particular channel with your remote in MP client... it just won't work. It simply isn't supported in any way, shape or form.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">You're right: this number is meaningless to a user... but it is not intended to convey any specific meaning.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">To me the 80.399 number is equally as meaningless.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">I really get the feeling that I'm missing something here. It is like you are saying that the number 80.399 is meant to be associated with the channel like a virtual channel number.</span></span></p><p>I<span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">t would *really* help if you could explain what you're thinking as if I'm a baby.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Please keep in mind that the US TV channel numbering and naming system/convention (ATSC) is <strong>very</strong> different to the systems/conventions used almost everywhere else in the world. When it comes to things like this, we don't understand what you're talking about or thinking unless you spell it out for us. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> </span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">What is the WOW database?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Please keep in mind that I've never used WinTV.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">I can only say: if you take the name "</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">Unknown 559250-27A" from the MP client and search for it in the TV Channels section of TV Server configuration (our channel database) then you will find it.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">I'm totally confused here. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /> </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">At this point it would be ***really*** helpful if you could answer the questions @<a href="https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/members/hello_joe.139074/" target="_blank">hello_joe</a> asked:</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">If you think you've answered already... I'm sorry, I haven't understood.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what difference it could possibly make but feel free to keep trying things and throwing comments our way. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">There is nothing special about the major and minor except what @<a href="https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/members/hello_joe.139074/" target="_blank">hello_joe</a> explained above. They are the parts of the ATSC virtual channel number that should be displayed in the MP client... but they're not, because MP doesn't support it. They are not used for tuning or anything else...</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">mm</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mm1352000, post: 987746, member: 82144"] Hello again breese [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Okay.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]If by "encoded" you mean encrypted or scrambled (ie. not clear QAM) then you'd be wrong about MP here.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Those channels should be picked up by scans.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Normally such channels would [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]have a red bubble next to them i[/COLOR][/FONT]n the "TV Channels" section of TV Server configuration.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]The fact that you don't see the familiar premium channel names (HBO, ShowTime etc.) from the cable lineup doesn't mean they're not being found. It is just another case where MP doesn't have the information to determine whether the channel is in-the-clear or not, so it assumes they are. Hence, all your channels probably have green bubbles.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]In your MP logs I can see a *lot* of strange errors with TsReader (@[URL='https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/members/owlsroost.83973/']Owlsroost[/URL] any thoughts???).[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]It is possible that MP has a problem with some of your channels where TV Server does not, but we'd only know that if you were to post the TV side logs corresponding with the logs you just posted. Better than that would be to use the watchdog tool:[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][url]http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/16_Support/3_Forums/2_Log_Files[/url][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]1. Start MP with the watchdog tool.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]2. Go to TV section and attempt to start a channel that won't work.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]3. Start a named channel that you expect to work and watch for 20 seconds.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]4. Close MP.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]5. Post the zip file produced.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]So if I've understood you correctly here, your comparison is to try to get the Unknown channels that work in WinTV to work in MP.[/COLOR][/FONT] [B][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Is that correct?[/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Yep, good. :)[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]As mentioned above, this suggests a totally different kind of problem: a communication issue between MP and TV Server. Either network or database related; nothing to do with the channel tuning itself.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Another way to test without involving the MP client would be to use the "manual control" section of TV Server configuration.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]1. Find your channel using the channel group and channel selection boxes.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]2. Click start timeshifting.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]If TV Server is working correctly you should see the above section fill with the channel details, signal strength/quality bars, and the packet counter start to increase.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]You're right - MP doesn't display the service ID or physical channel number in the client.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Our ultimate aim is to display what a cable box or TV would normally display.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Our understanding is that a cable box or TV would show the ATSC virtual channel number - a number that looks like x.y (or x-y).[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]We don't have that number, so we don't even try to pretend that we have it.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]The only thing I'd expect to see in the client for those channels is the name of the channel, and that should be 100% the same as what you see in TV Server configuration and in the log files.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]I'm not sure what numbers you're looking at in the client (a screenshot would be helpful! :)) but one thing you should be aware of: [B]MP doesn't support storing or using ATSC channels numbers with format x.y (or x-y).[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]So to be clear, If you're expecting to see or be able to use 80.399 to select that particular channel with your remote in MP client... it just won't work. It simply isn't supported in any way, shape or form.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]You're right: this number is meaningless to a user... but it is not intended to convey any specific meaning.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]To me the 80.399 number is equally as meaningless.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]I really get the feeling that I'm missing something here. It is like you are saying that the number 80.399 is meant to be associated with the channel like a virtual channel number.[/COLOR][/FONT] I[FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]t would *really* help if you could explain what you're thinking as if I'm a baby.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Please keep in mind that the US TV channel numbering and naming system/convention (ATSC) is [B]very[/B] different to the systems/conventions used almost everywhere else in the world. When it comes to things like this, we don't understand what you're talking about or thinking unless you spell it out for us. ;) [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]What is the WOW database?[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Please keep in mind that I've never used WinTV.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]I can only say: if you take the name "[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]Unknown 559250-27A" from the MP client and search for it in the TV Channels section of TV Server configuration (our channel database) then you will find it.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]I'm totally confused here. :confused: [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]At this point it would be ***really*** helpful if you could answer the questions @[URL='https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/members/hello_joe.139074/']hello_joe[/URL] asked:[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]If you think you've answered already... I'm sorry, I haven't understood.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] I'm not sure what difference it could possibly make but feel free to keep trying things and throwing comments our way. :) [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]There is nothing special about the major and minor except what @[URL='https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/members/hello_joe.139074/']hello_joe[/URL] explained above. They are the parts of the ATSC virtual channel number that should be displayed in the MP client... but they're not, because MP doesn't support it. They are not used for tuning or anything else...[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black]mm[/COLOR][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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