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Message: <blockquote data-quote="czar879" data-source="post: 80276" data-attributes="member: 25189"><p>sweet ill give it a crack now ill start gatering those programs and installing them in the order you suggested but one thing those updates "Windows Update critical patches Recommended Windows patches (there is a thread listing them)" cant find them can i have a little more info if you dont mind? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>