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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mm1352000" data-source="post: 789499" data-attributes="member: 82144">Good <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />It happens whenever you import EPG info. In your case though it is effectively only on the first EPG import. That is because you're allowing SD to create channels in TV Server.When SD imports a channel, it first attempts to find an existing [MP] channel to link against. If it doesn't find one then it can optionally create a channel for you. In my opinion that is not always helpful (especially for digital channels) because once a link is established it will not be broken. In other words, if SD creates your channels then it links the guide data to those channels. To see the guide data you have to somehow make those channels tunable - either by checking and correcting the default tuning detail or adding the correct tuning detail(s). If you create the channels then all SD has to do is link the guide data, which is theoretically much less problematic, but possibly more work in some cases.So when SD creates channels what does it do? SD creates channels with analog tuning details even when the channel is a digital ATSC or clear QAM cable channel. In the case of digital channels that are being received by a QAM or ATSC tuner that is not necessarily helpful. Why do I say that? Well obviously an analog tuning detail is not going to work with a digital tuner. Further, when you actually scan for channels with a digital tuner, TV Server won't correct the tuning details. In fact it will create an entirely new channel. This is because TV Server doesn't use the name to identify a channel, and further it treats analog and digital tuning details completely separately - they're like apples and oranges to TV Server. You *can* "fix" such a situation though in two ways:1. Delete the SD channels, rename the TV Server channels with the call sign and then re-import your guide data. SD should link the guide data to the channels scanned in by TV Server.2. <a href="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/03_TV_Channels/1_Combinations" target="_blank">Combine</a> the SD channel with the TV Server channel and delete the useless SD tuning detail. Go to TV Channels combinations sub section, select a channel on the left, select one or more channels on the right, click "combine". Go back to channel list, select the combined channel, click "edit", select the analog tuning detail row, click "delete", click "OK".The second approach is somewhat trickier as the combining has to be done just right. You only get to keep the guide data for one channel (which I assume would be the channel selected in the left hand pane - not 100% sure), so you have to make sure you select the SD channel on the left and the TV Server channel(s) on the right. Better in my opinion to take option 1, or don't allow SD to create channels in the first place.Getting back to the discussion about SD creating channels...As I've said, this functionality may not be so useful for digital channels, but it is *really* useful in the case of digital channels that are being piped from an STB via a capture input. Lets take your HD-PVR as an example. An HD-PVR can't scan for channels. Right now the only automated channel creation that TV Server offers you is the "add s-video channels" button, which is not helpful when you're using a blaster. You have to create the STB channels in MP somehow. People who know how to manipulate a database may write a script. Others slog it out and do it manually with the "add" button in the "TV Channels" section. People from North America would currently be advised to use SD as it can save you a lot of time. What you have to do is:1. Allow SD to create channels (you don't have to allow creation of digital channels).2. Select your country - I believe this is an SD setting somewhere.3. Select the video input - I believe this is also an SD setting somewhere.4. Import guide data.Assuming that the SD channel numbers match the STB and/or analog cable channel numbers (that assumption is a *big* assumption, but it seems to work in practise) this should mean that the analog tuning details in the SD channels are actually correct. Then it is just a matter of <a href="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/03_TV_Channels/2_Mapping" target="_blank">mapping</a> the SD-created channels to your tuners/capture cards.So in summary, with SD you've got to know how to avoid or workaround the tricky parts and exploit the useful parts.If you add a new tuner it will most likely provide access to channels that you already have access to, so in most cases you can just <a href="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/03_TV_Channels/2_Mapping" target="_blank">link/map</a> your existing channels to the new tuner. If the new tuner has access to new channels then your options are the same as above. With a digital tuner:1. Scan in the channels with the tuner.2. If the SD channels weren't created in TV Server then simply import guide data to link the guide data to the new channels, else either combine the SD guide channels with the channels created by a scan or delete the SD channels (*only the new ones*) and import guide data to create the links (as described above).With an analog tuner or capture input:1. Use SD to import the channels - add them to your SD lineup or do whatever is necessary (I'm not sure about this).2. Map/link the SD channels to the tuner/capture card and check that the tuning details are correct.It is not so much SD that has to handle this as TV Server. You have one big limitation from SD, and that is that an SD channel can only be linked to one MP channel. With your setup, that means that you have to be quite clever and careful to get it working.Lets straighten this out. You have the HDPVR that has access to all channels. Obviously the HDPVR can't scan for channels so ignore it to start with.Scan in your 15 clear QAM and ATSC channels from one of the HDHomeRuns. <a href="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/03_TV_Channels/2_Mapping" target="_blank">Map</a> those channels to the HDHomeRun that you didn't scan with (or rescan with the other HDHomeRun - mapping is just faster <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />).Rename the channels to match the call signs in the SD lineup.Scan in the analog cable channels with one of the Adaptec tuners. Again, map those channels to the Adaptec tuner that you didn't scan with.Now comes the tricky part. We want to link the TV Server channels that we have with the SD guide data, *and* in the same step create the channels that are unique to the HD-PVR. Your SD settings need to be:- allow links by channel number ("Allow EPG Channel Mapping by Channel Number Only")- allow creation of digital channels as analog channels in TV Server (for this one we enable channel creation, but *don't* enable channel creation for analog [cable] channels)- select the appropriate video input on your HD-PVR - probably YRYBY#1 for component (not 100% certain of this)Now import guide data.Once that is done, map the HD-PVR-exclusive channels to the HD-PVR.At this point you should:- have one entry for each channel in your SD line-up in TV Server- the analog cable channels should work with both Adaptec tuners, and they should have guide data- the digital clear QAM and/or ATSC channels should work with the HDHomeRuns, and they should have guide data- the encrypted HD-PVR exclusive channels should work with the HD-PVR (I'm assuming you've correctly set up your blaster at this point), and they should have guide data- all that doesn't work are the analog cable and clear QAM channels on the HD-PVRTo fix the clear QAM channels on the HD-PVR, you need to add an analog tuning detail to each of those channels:1. Open TV Server configuration.2. Go to the "TV Channels" section.3. Locate and select a clear QAM/ATSC channel that the HDHomeRun can tune.4. Click "edit".5. Click "add".6. Select "analog" and click "OK".7. Set the channel number as the number used to select the channel on the STB so that blasting will work.8. Select the correct country.9. Select "cable" as input type.10. Select the appropriate crossbar video input (again, probably YRYBY#1).11. Click "OK" to save the analog tuning detail.12. Click "OK" to save the channel.13. Repeat instructions 3 - 12 for each clear of the other 14 clear QAM/ATSC HDHomeRun channels - a little tedious, but not too bad.14. Map the HDHomeRun channels to the HD-PVR.Now the HD-PVR should be able to tune the clear QAM/ATSC channels.Finally the only thing that doesn't work is the analog cable channels on the HD-PVR, and my recommendation would be that you actually don't try to get them working on the HD-PVR. I say that for two reasons:1. You will have to manually create an additional tuning detail for 70 channels - very tedious, but there's no other better way unless you can script it.2. Creating the extra tuning detail as per step 1 will actually not be ideal from TV Server's perspective.Let me explain point 2 in more detail. You will have two analog tuning details for each channel after creating the extra tuning detail for the 70 channels. One tuning detail in each channel will only work with the Adaptec tuners and the other will only work with the HD-PVR. There's a 50-50 chance that TV Server will select the wrong tuning detail whenever you try to tune any of these channels because (unlike the HDHomeRun channels) TV Server can't implicitly tell which tuning detail to use with the Adaptec tuners and which tuning detail to use with the HD-PVR. Again to be very clear: in the case of the HDHomeRun channels TV Server knows to use the digital ATSC tuning detail with the HDHomeRuns as they are digital tuners and the HD-PVR is not, and vice-versa with the analog tuning detail and the HD-PVR. The same does not apply with the analog cable channels. The analog cable channels can work with the HD-PVR... it is just that you would have an ongoing consequence with the potentially slower channel changing on all three devices. It's completely up to you if you think it is worth the effort. If it were me, I would buy another analog tuner if the channels were that important to me.Dense?!? Not at all! I've just taken 2000 odd words to explain it. If it takes that much of an explanation then I categorise this as a complex subject. When I thought about it for a while, the 3 steps I gave you in my previous post were *massively* oversimplified for your situation, so completely my fault for not thinking deeply enough. I just hope my theories are correct and that my plan actually works. I still haven't actually used SD so all of what I've said is based on my current knowledge of TV Server and examination of the SD code.mm</blockquote>

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