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Hey krntea, it's good to hear from a fellow Aussie. I think we're over-represented in this field, but that's a good thing

Firstly, I do understand where you're coming from with this, I think we're really just looking at it from two different angles. You see the better debug information and say auto-submission is the key, I see a flood of really bad fault reports and worry. But I'll take the debug info any day!

Let me tell you where I agree with you:

1. Having proper debug info would be fantastic, I agree that it would help us a lot. How could I argue with that?

2. Statistical analysis of bugs, would also be great. No argument here.

I would take these things in a heart-beat. But you have to understand a few things about MediaPortal...

1. 95% of the work is done by 5% of the developers. That may be a little exaggerated, but you wouldn't believe the true figures if you saw them. It looks like a big team of people until you get into it and realise that most of the work is done by a dedicated few. And I really mean "few". NOTE: I don't pretend to be one of those few.

2. The end-user is, a lot of the time, "Joe average". We get a lot of really bad fault reports and increasing the number of bad fault reports will not help anyone.

My main point I guess is this:

I totally agree that having proper debugging information will help us, I just don't think that automatic submission and proper debug information have to come together or not at all. Give me the debug info, just not the auto-submission (for the reasons I've already spelled out).

Don't take this next bit as sarcasm, because it's not:

We are not Mozilla.

We're actually pretty small. One day MediaPortal might be big enough to look at this again and reach a different conclusion, I just don't think we're there yet. So I'm not poo-pooing the idea, I just don't think it will work here, now, yet.

Is that fair enough?

Cheers,

PS. Local time here is "crazy late", so don't be offended if I don't reply to anything here for about 12 hours.

<blockquote data-quote="and-81" data-source="post: 161496" data-attributes="member: 11844">Hey krntea, it's good to hear from a fellow Aussie.&nbsp; I think we're over-represented in this field, but that's a good thing <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />Firstly, I do understand where you're coming from with this, I think we're really just looking at it from two different angles.&nbsp; You see the better debug information and say auto-submission is the key, I see a flood of really bad fault reports and worry.&nbsp; But I'll take the debug info any day!Let me tell you where I agree with you:1. Having proper debug info would be fantastic, I agree that it would help us a lot.&nbsp; How could I argue with that? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />2. Statistical analysis of bugs, would also be great.&nbsp; No argument here.I would take these things in a heart-beat.&nbsp; But you have to understand a few things about MediaPortal...1. 95% of the work is done by 5% of the developers.&nbsp; That may be a little exaggerated, but you wouldn't believe the true figures if you saw them.&nbsp; It looks like a big team of people until you get into it and realise that most of the work is done by a dedicated few.&nbsp; And I really mean &quot;few&quot;.&nbsp; NOTE:&nbsp; I don't pretend to be one of those few.2. The end-user is, a lot of the time, &quot;Joe average&quot;.&nbsp; We get a lot of really bad fault reports and increasing the number of bad fault reports will not help anyone. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" />My main point I guess is this:I totally agree that having proper debugging information will help us, I just don't think that automatic submission and proper debug information have to come together or not at all.&nbsp; Give me the debug info, just not the auto-submission (for the reasons I've already spelled out).Don't take this next bit as sarcasm,&nbsp; because it's not:We are not Mozilla.We're actually pretty small.&nbsp; One day MediaPortal might be big enough to look at this again and reach a different conclusion, I just don't think we're there yet.&nbsp; So I'm not poo-pooing the idea, I just don't think it will work here, now, yet.Is that fair enough?Cheers,PS. Local time here is &quot;crazy late&quot;, so don't be offended if I don't reply to anything here for about 12 hours.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="and-81, post: 161496, member: 11844"] Hey krntea, it's good to hear from a fellow Aussie. I think we're over-represented in this field, but that's a good thing :) Firstly, I do understand where you're coming from with this, I think we're really just looking at it from two different angles. You see the better debug information and say auto-submission is the key, I see a flood of really bad fault reports and worry. But I'll take the debug info any day! Let me tell you where I agree with you: 1. Having proper debug info would be fantastic, I agree that it would help us a lot. How could I argue with that? :) 2. Statistical analysis of bugs, would also be great. No argument here. I would take these things in a heart-beat. But you have to understand a few things about MediaPortal... 1. 95% of the work is done by 5% of the developers. That may be a little exaggerated, but you wouldn't believe the true figures if you saw them. It looks like a big team of people until you get into it and realise that most of the work is done by a dedicated few. And I really mean "few". NOTE: I don't pretend to be one of those few. 2. The end-user is, a lot of the time, "Joe average". We get a lot of really bad fault reports and increasing the number of bad fault reports will not help anyone. :( My main point I guess is this: I totally agree that having proper debugging information will help us, I just don't think that automatic submission and proper debug information have to come together or not at all. Give me the debug info, just not the auto-submission (for the reasons I've already spelled out). Don't take this next bit as sarcasm, because it's not: We are not Mozilla. We're actually pretty small. One day MediaPortal might be big enough to look at this again and reach a different conclusion, I just don't think we're there yet. So I'm not poo-pooing the idea, I just don't think it will work here, now, yet. Is that fair enough? Cheers, PS. Local time here is "crazy late", so don't be offended if I don't reply to anything here for about 12 hours. [/QUOTE]