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<blockquote data-quote="mm1352000" data-source="post: 1134759" data-attributes="member: 82144"><p>Hello again</p><p></p><p></p><p>The log files don't agree:</p><p>2015-04-30 06:40:05,395] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 54, frequency = 403250 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard</p><p>[2015-04-30 06:40:28,706] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166</p><p></p><p>The user interface would have shown the following:</p><p>"physical channel = 54, frequency = 403250 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM... new = 0, updated = 166"</p><p></p><p>That means that TV Server found details for 166 channels at physical channel 54.</p><p></p><p>These are the details of the (sub)channels that TV Server found for physical channel 54:</p><p>[collapse]</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,322] [79eaf10] [f20] - 0) AMC TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0017, source ID = 0x1004, maj. ch. # = 24 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,334] [79eaf10] [f20] - 1) A&E TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x000b, source ID = 0x1005, maj. ch. # = 28 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,484] [79eaf10] [f20] - 21) HIST TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x000d, source ID = 0x1020, maj. ch. # = 57 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,489] [79eaf10] [f20] - 22) HGTV TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0003, source ID = 0x1021, maj. ch. # = 58 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,503] [79eaf10] [f20] - 25) LIFE TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0011, source ID = 0x1032, maj. ch. # = 29 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,532] [79eaf10] [f20] - 31) Syfy TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0015, source ID = 0x1046, maj. ch. # = 48 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,570] [79eaf10] [f20] - 39) FOOD TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0001, source ID = 0x105a, maj. ch. # = 61 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,575] [79eaf10] [f20] - 40) VH1 TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x000f, source ID = 0x105b, maj. ch. # = 73 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,646] [79eaf10] [f20] - 55) WGNA TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0019, source ID = 0x127a, maj. ch. # = 53 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,665] [79eaf10] [f20] - 59) TELEMUe TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0009, source ID = 0x1497, maj. ch. # = 127 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:22,726] [79eaf10] [f20] - 72) DISNEY TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0007, source ID = 0x2718, maj. ch. # = 41 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:33:23,113] [79eaf10] [f20] - 153) DisneyJr TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0005, source ID = 0x5dac, maj. ch. # = 75 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11[/collapse]</p><p></p><p>So, I don't understand why you say TV Server "missed" that channel. Can you explain?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, the log files appear to show the opposite:</p><p>[collapse]</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:20:13,216] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 51, frequency = 385262 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:20:24,869] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:20:24,873] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 52, frequency = 391262 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:20:47,848] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:20:47,852] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 53, frequency = 397262 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:21:11,001] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:21:11,004] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 54, frequency = 403250 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:21:23,290] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:21:23,293] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 55, frequency = 409250 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:21:46,199] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 168</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:21:46,203] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 56, frequency = 415250 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard</p><p>[2015-04-30 07:22:09,203] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166</p><p>[/collapse]</p><p></p><p>TV Server found (sub)channel details on each of those physical channels, so I fail to understand what you're talking about. If you want me to understand then you're going to have to explain/describe in more detail.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Believe it or not, deleting the log files does not make any difference to the scan behaviour. If you're getting different results then it's just "luck"/timing. Increasing the SDT/VCT timeout should give more consistent results.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Great. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>Still, I really wish you would provide the detailed explanation, screenshots etc. that I've asked for. We don't want the scanning process to be something you have to fight! We want it to "just work", but we need input from people such as yourself in order to make that happen.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Our QAM scan process is the same for all QAM tuners on all versions of Windows.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Our OTA scan process is very different. A lot simpler.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Definitely not!</p><p>Like I said above: it makes no difference what tuner or version of Windows you use. The scan process is the same in all cases.</p><p>Clearly you expect the scan process to work in a certain way. It would be great if you could explain what you expect. Otherwise it just feels like you're complaining/ranting/trolling. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nope! There's no such thing as .NET/C# example source code for TV tuners. It's impossible for us to use something that doesn't exist.</p><p></p><p></p><p>LOL!</p><p>If you'd ever written code to interact with tuners on Windows then you'd know:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">"Direct hardware functions" are handled by the vendor-supplied/controlled drivers... and yes, they <strong>are </strong>written in C, C++, assembly etc.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Scanning is not a direct hardware function. It mostly involves decoding and interpreting a "digital stream".</li> </ol><p>As it happens, TV Server uses a combination of C++ and C# for our scanning code... but this is completely irrelevant. If the algorithm (logic) is wrong then language (eg. C#, C++, C, Java, Assembler) won't make diddly squat difference.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you say so.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mm1352000, post: 1134759, member: 82144"] Hello again The log files don't agree: 2015-04-30 06:40:05,395] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 54, frequency = 403250 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard [2015-04-30 06:40:28,706] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166 The user interface would have shown the following: "physical channel = 54, frequency = 403250 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM... new = 0, updated = 166" That means that TV Server found details for 166 channels at physical channel 54. These are the details of the (sub)channels that TV Server found for physical channel 54: [collapse] [2015-04-30 07:33:22,322] [79eaf10] [f20] - 0) AMC TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0017, source ID = 0x1004, maj. ch. # = 24 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:22,334] [79eaf10] [f20] - 1) A&E TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x000b, source ID = 0x1005, maj. ch. # = 28 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:22,484] [79eaf10] [f20] - 21) HIST TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x000d, source ID = 0x1020, maj. ch. # = 57 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:22,489] [79eaf10] [f20] - 22) HGTV TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0003, source ID = 0x1021, maj. ch. # = 58 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:22,503] [79eaf10] [f20] - 25) LIFE TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0011, source ID = 0x1032, maj. ch. # = 29 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:22,532] [79eaf10] [f20] - 31) Syfy TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0015, source ID = 0x1046, maj. ch. # = 48 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:22,570] [79eaf10] [f20] - 39) FOOD TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0001, source ID = 0x105a, maj. ch. # = 61 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:22,575] [79eaf10] [f20] - 40) VH1 TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x000f, source ID = 0x105b, maj. ch. # = 73 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:22,646] [79eaf10] [f20] - 55) WGNA TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0019, source ID = 0x127a, maj. ch. # = 53 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:22,665] [79eaf10] [f20] - 59) TELEMUe TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0009, source ID = 0x1497, maj. ch. # = 127 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:22,726] [79eaf10] [f20] - 72) DISNEY TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0007, source ID = 0x2718, maj. ch. # = 41 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11 [2015-04-30 07:33:23,113] [79eaf10] [f20] - 153) DisneyJr TSID = 0x0000, service ID = 0x0005, source ID = 0x5dac, maj. ch. # = 75 , min. ch. # = 0 , access controlled = 1, type = 2, video stream count = 0, audio stream count = 0, frequency = 405000 kHz, modulation = 11[/collapse] So, I don't understand why you say TV Server "missed" that channel. Can you explain? Again, the log files appear to show the opposite: [collapse] [2015-04-30 07:20:13,216] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 51, frequency = 385262 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard [2015-04-30 07:20:24,869] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166 [2015-04-30 07:20:24,873] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 52, frequency = 391262 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard [2015-04-30 07:20:47,848] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166 [2015-04-30 07:20:47,852] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 53, frequency = 397262 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard [2015-04-30 07:21:11,001] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166 [2015-04-30 07:21:11,004] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 54, frequency = 403250 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard [2015-04-30 07:21:23,290] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166 [2015-04-30 07:21:23,293] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 55, frequency = 409250 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard [2015-04-30 07:21:46,199] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 168 [2015-04-30 07:21:46,203] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scanning clear QAM cable, physical channel = 56, frequency = 415250 kHz, modulation = 256 QAM, frequency plan = QAM Standard [2015-04-30 07:22:09,203] [Log ] [ATSC scan thread] [INFO ] - ATSC: scan result, new = 0, updated = 166 [/collapse] TV Server found (sub)channel details on each of those physical channels, so I fail to understand what you're talking about. If you want me to understand then you're going to have to explain/describe in more detail. Believe it or not, deleting the log files does not make any difference to the scan behaviour. If you're getting different results then it's just "luck"/timing. Increasing the SDT/VCT timeout should give more consistent results. Great. :) Still, I really wish you would provide the detailed explanation, screenshots etc. that I've asked for. We don't want the scanning process to be something you have to fight! We want it to "just work", but we need input from people such as yourself in order to make that happen. Our QAM scan process is the same for all QAM tuners on all versions of Windows. Our OTA scan process is very different. A lot simpler. Definitely not! Like I said above: it makes no difference what tuner or version of Windows you use. The scan process is the same in all cases. Clearly you expect the scan process to work in a certain way. It would be great if you could explain what you expect. Otherwise it just feels like you're complaining/ranting/trolling. ;) Nope! There's no such thing as .NET/C# example source code for TV tuners. It's impossible for us to use something that doesn't exist. LOL! If you'd ever written code to interact with tuners on Windows then you'd know: [LIST=1] [*]"Direct hardware functions" are handled by the vendor-supplied/controlled drivers... and yes, they [B]are [/B]written in C, C++, assembly etc. [*]Scanning is not a direct hardware function. It mostly involves decoding and interpreting a "digital stream". [/LIST] As it happens, TV Server uses a combination of C++ and C# for our scanning code... but this is completely irrelevant. If the algorithm (logic) is wrong then language (eg. C#, C++, C, Java, Assembler) won't make diddly squat difference. If you say so. [/QUOTE]
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