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<blockquote data-quote="Gflo" data-source="post: 208005" data-attributes="member: 60964"><p><strong>TV-Server Version</strong>: </p><p><strong>MediaPortal Version</strong>: 0.2.3.0</p><p><strong>MediaPortal Skin</strong>: i dont know i cant see it</p><p><strong>Windows Version</strong>: Xp sp2</p><p><strong>CPU Type</strong>: intel penteum 4 2.40ghz</p><p><strong>HDD</strong>:1 60 gb and one 80gb</p><p><strong>Memory</strong>: 512 mb</p><p><strong>Motherboard</strong>: </p><p><strong>Motherboard Chipset</strong>: </p><p><strong>Motherboard Bios</strong>: </p><p><strong>Video Card</strong>:intel 82845g/gl/ge/pe/gv</p><p><strong>Video Card Driver</strong>: 6.14.10.4544</p><p><strong>Sound Card</strong>: creative sb live!</p><p><strong>Sound Card AC3</strong>: ?</p><p><strong>Sound Card Driver</strong>: 5.1.2535.0</p><p><strong>1. TV Card</strong>: ati tv wonder</p><p><strong>1. TV Card Type</strong>: not sure</p><p><strong>1. TV Card Driver</strong>: </p><p><strong>2. TV Card</strong>: </p><p><strong>2. TV Card Type</strong>: </p><p><strong>2. TV Card Driver</strong>: </p><p><strong>3. TV Card</strong>: </p><p><strong>3. TV Card Type</strong>: </p><p><strong>3. TV Card Driver</strong>: </p><p><strong>4. TV Card</strong>: </p><p><strong>4. TV Card Type</strong>: </p><p><strong>4. TV Card Driver</strong>: </p><p><strong>MPEG2 Video Codec</strong>: </p><p><strong>MPEG2 Audio Codec</strong>: </p><p><strong>Satelite/CableTV Provider</strong>: Direct tv</p><p><strong>HTPC Case</strong>: </p><p><strong>Cooling</strong>: </p><p><strong>Power Supply</strong>: </p><p><strong>Remote</strong>: </p><p><strong>TV</strong>: </p><p><strong>TV - HTPC Connection</strong>: </p><p></p><p>Hi,</p><p>im havin a tough time with this. all day i have been looking for windows mce found it and decided i don't care to pay $120 to have tv on my xbox 360. so i saw somthin about media portal and i decided to take a look. my tivo crapped out on me and the dvr i have sucks, so this was the next best thing (and by the way the 80g hdd came from my old tivo).well i download media portal install, run and i get a little message that says....</p><p></p><p>Warning: Nothing will be rendered.</p><p>The reference rending device was selected but your computer only has a reduced functionality reference device</p><p>installed. Please check if your graphics card and drivers meet the minimum system requirements. a software device that implements the entire direct3d feature set but runs very slowly.</p><p></p><p>so i click ok, a box pops up that has media portal at the top and is like a little picture frame letting me see straight through to my desktop. i know somthings wrong so i close it and get the little media portal box that says</p><p></p><p>Media portal crashed unexpectedly</p><p></p><p>click ok get the little media portal test tool run the tests and get the file and i cant figure out which one to read so ill attach it. </p><p>i got an error mesage with something to do with microsofts .net framework</p><p>[code]</p><p>See the end of this message for details on invoking </p><p>just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.</p><p></p><p>************** Exception Text **************</p><p>System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.</p><p> at MediaPortal.D3DApp.OnSetup(Object sender, EventArgs e)</p><p> at MediaPortal.D3DApp.menuItem2_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)</p><p> at System.Windows.Forms.MenuItem.OnClick(EventArgs e)</p><p> at System.Windows.Forms.MenuItem.ShortcutClick()</p><p> at System.Windows.Forms.Menu.ProcessCmdKey(Message& msg, Keys keyData)</p><p> at System.Windows.Forms.Form.ProcessCmdKey(Message& msg, Keys keyData)</p><p> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PreProcessMessage(Message& msg)</p><p> at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PreProcessControlMessageInternal(Control target, Message& msg)</p><p> at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.PreTranslateMessage(MSG& msg)</p><p></p><p></p><p>************** Loaded Assemblies **************</p><p>mscorlib</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300)</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>MediaPortal</p><p> Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/MediaPortal.exe</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>System.Windows.Forms</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300)</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>System</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300)</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>System.Drawing</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300)</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3D</p><p> Assembly Version: 1.0.2902.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 9.05.132.0000</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3D.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>Core</p><p> Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Core.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>Utils</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.2.2.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Utils.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>System.ServiceProcess</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.ServiceProcess/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.ServiceProcess.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>System.Configuration</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300)</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>RemotePlugins</p><p> Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/RemotePlugins.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>System.Xml</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300)</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>MediaPortal.Support</p><p> Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/MediaPortal.Support.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>TVCapture</p><p> Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/TVCapture.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>Interop.X10</p><p> Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Interop.X10.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>Microsoft.DirectX</p><p> Assembly Version: 1.0.2902.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 5.04.00.2904</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Microsoft.DirectX.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput</p><p> Assembly Version: 1.0.2902.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 5.04.00.2904</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>Databases</p><p> Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Databases.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>DirectShowLib</p><p> Assembly Version: 1.4.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 1.4.0.0</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/DirectShowLib.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Soap</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Soap/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Soap.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>ProcessPlugins</p><p> Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Plugins/process/ProcessPlugins.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>MusicShareWatcherHelper</p><p> Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/MusicShareWatcherHelper.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>BassRegistration</p><p> Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/BassRegistration.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>Bass.Net</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.3.1.2</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.3.1.2</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Bass.Net.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>kfc1il7o</p><p> Assembly Version: 2.2.2.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300)</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>5uaw-adb</p><p> Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300)</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p>Dialogs</p><p> Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> Win32 Version: 0.2.3.0</p><p> CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/plugins/windows/Dialogs.DLL</p><p>----------------------------------------</p><p></p><p>************** JIT Debugging **************</p><p>To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this</p><p>application or computer (machine.config) must have the</p><p>jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.</p><p>The application must also be compiled with debugging</p><p>enabled.</p><p></p><p>For example:</p><p></p><p><configuration></p><p> <system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" /></p><p></configuration></p><p></p><p>When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception</p><p>will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer</p><p>rather than be handled by this dialog box.[/code]</p><p>if theres any thing else yall want to know just tell me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Also will media portal work with Xbox media center?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gflo, post: 208005, member: 60964"] [b]TV-Server Version[/b]: [b]MediaPortal Version[/b]: 0.2.3.0 [b]MediaPortal Skin[/b]: i dont know i cant see it [b]Windows Version[/b]: Xp sp2 [b]CPU Type[/b]: intel penteum 4 2.40ghz [b]HDD[/b]:1 60 gb and one 80gb [b]Memory[/b]: 512 mb [b]Motherboard[/b]: [b]Motherboard Chipset[/b]: [b]Motherboard Bios[/b]: [b]Video Card[/b]:intel 82845g/gl/ge/pe/gv [b]Video Card Driver[/b]: 6.14.10.4544 [b]Sound Card[/b]: creative sb live! [b]Sound Card AC3[/b]: ? [b]Sound Card Driver[/b]: 5.1.2535.0 [b]1. TV Card[/b]: ati tv wonder [b]1. TV Card Type[/b]: not sure [b]1. TV Card Driver[/b]: [b]2. TV Card[/b]: [b]2. TV Card Type[/b]: [b]2. TV Card Driver[/b]: [b]3. TV Card[/b]: [b]3. TV Card Type[/b]: [b]3. TV Card Driver[/b]: [b]4. TV Card[/b]: [b]4. TV Card Type[/b]: [b]4. TV Card Driver[/b]: [b]MPEG2 Video Codec[/b]: [b]MPEG2 Audio Codec[/b]: [b]Satelite/CableTV Provider[/b]: Direct tv [b]HTPC Case[/b]: [b]Cooling[/b]: [b]Power Supply[/b]: [b]Remote[/b]: [b]TV[/b]: [b]TV - HTPC Connection[/b]: Hi, im havin a tough time with this. all day i have been looking for windows mce found it and decided i don't care to pay $120 to have tv on my xbox 360. so i saw somthin about media portal and i decided to take a look. my tivo crapped out on me and the dvr i have sucks, so this was the next best thing (and by the way the 80g hdd came from my old tivo).well i download media portal install, run and i get a little message that says.... Warning: Nothing will be rendered. The reference rending device was selected but your computer only has a reduced functionality reference device installed. Please check if your graphics card and drivers meet the minimum system requirements. a software device that implements the entire direct3d feature set but runs very slowly. so i click ok, a box pops up that has media portal at the top and is like a little picture frame letting me see straight through to my desktop. i know somthings wrong so i close it and get the little media portal box that says Media portal crashed unexpectedly click ok get the little media portal test tool run the tests and get the file and i cant figure out which one to read so ill attach it. i got an error mesage with something to do with microsofts .net framework [code] See the end of this message for details on invoking just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box. ************** Exception Text ************** System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. at MediaPortal.D3DApp.OnSetup(Object sender, EventArgs e) at MediaPortal.D3DApp.menuItem2_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.MenuItem.OnClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.MenuItem.ShortcutClick() at System.Windows.Forms.Menu.ProcessCmdKey(Message& msg, Keys keyData) at System.Windows.Forms.Form.ProcessCmdKey(Message& msg, Keys keyData) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PreProcessMessage(Message& msg) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PreProcessControlMessageInternal(Control target, Message& msg) at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.PreTranslateMessage(MSG& msg) ************** Loaded Assemblies ************** mscorlib Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll ---------------------------------------- MediaPortal Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0 Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/MediaPortal.exe ---------------------------------------- System.Windows.Forms Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll ---------------------------------------- System Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Drawing Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll ---------------------------------------- Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3D Assembly Version: 1.0.2902.0 Win32 Version: 9.05.132.0000 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3D.DLL ---------------------------------------- Core Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0 Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Core.DLL ---------------------------------------- Utils Assembly Version: 2.2.2.0 Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Utils.DLL ---------------------------------------- System.ServiceProcess Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.ServiceProcess/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.ServiceProcess.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Configuration Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll ---------------------------------------- RemotePlugins Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0 Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/RemotePlugins.DLL ---------------------------------------- System.Xml Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll ---------------------------------------- MediaPortal.Support Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0 Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/MediaPortal.Support.DLL ---------------------------------------- TVCapture Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0 Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/TVCapture.DLL ---------------------------------------- Interop.X10 Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Interop.X10.DLL ---------------------------------------- Microsoft.DirectX Assembly Version: 1.0.2902.0 Win32 Version: 5.04.00.2904 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Microsoft.DirectX.DLL ---------------------------------------- Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput Assembly Version: 1.0.2902.0 Win32 Version: 5.04.00.2904 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput.DLL ---------------------------------------- Databases Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0 Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Databases.DLL ---------------------------------------- DirectShowLib Assembly Version: 1.4.0.0 Win32 Version: 1.4.0.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/DirectShowLib.DLL ---------------------------------------- System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Soap Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Soap/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Soap.dll ---------------------------------------- ProcessPlugins Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0 Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Plugins/process/ProcessPlugins.dll ---------------------------------------- MusicShareWatcherHelper Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0 Win32 Version: 0.2.2.9993 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/MusicShareWatcherHelper.DLL ---------------------------------------- BassRegistration Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/BassRegistration.DLL ---------------------------------------- Bass.Net Assembly Version: 2.3.1.2 Win32 Version: 2.3.1.2 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/Bass.Net.DLL ---------------------------------------- kfc1il7o Assembly Version: 2.2.2.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll ---------------------------------------- 5uaw-adb Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.832 (QFE.050727-8300) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll ---------------------------------------- Dialogs Assembly Version: 0.2.3.0 Win32 Version: 0.2.3.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Team%20MediaPortal/MediaPortal/plugins/windows/Dialogs.DLL ---------------------------------------- ************** JIT Debugging ************** To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this application or computer (machine.config) must have the jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section. The application must also be compiled with debugging enabled. For example: <configuration> <system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" /> </configuration> When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer rather than be handled by this dialog box.[/code] if theres any thing else yall want to know just tell me. Also will media portal work with Xbox media center? [/QUOTE]
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