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<blockquote data-quote="mm1352000" data-source="post: 888999" data-attributes="member: 82144"><p>Hello again</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Lets be clear, because there are two mappings involved here. We have:</p><p>remote button --> key</p><p>key --> MP action</p><p> </p><p>I know very little about the first mapping (I've always used EventGhost for this) except that it is handled in the "remotes" section of MP configuration.</p><p>The second mapping is handled in the keys and sounds section of MP configuration.</p><p> </p><p>I note from the<a href="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/MediaPortal_Configuration/11_General/12_Keys_and_Sounds" target="_blank"> "keys and sounds"</a> section in the wiki:</p><p></p><p>So part of the answer to your question is the keymap.xml file, for the mapping from key to MP action.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>It may be possible to remove or change the key that is linked to this action, but I don't think you can disable it entirely.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Well, yes it is the same tuner <em>card</em> but not necessarily the same tuner <em>tuner</em>... if that makes sense. In other words, there are two tuners on the card but we haven't ruled out whether performing both recordings with one tuner results in the same issues.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>I think this is the crux of where we have the differing understanding/opinion. I'll try to explain what I'm saying in more detail once we've got through the other questions/points...</p><p> </p><p></p><p>It could I guess, but as you say - it shouldn't.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>No, it shouldn't have created a subdirectory. The zip file contains one file - the patched TVLibrary.dll. What I am asking you to do is replace the TVLibrary.dll that TV Server is currently using with the one from the zip file.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yes, kind of, but not entirely.</p><p>When you start recordings in MP you can't control or know which tuner will be used to perform the recording. Manual control allows you to see and/or specify which tuner should be used. I'll come back to this.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yes, that is correct. In the <a href="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/03_TV_Channels/2_Mapping" target="_blank">mapping</a> section of TV Server configuration you link channels to tuners. I'll try and clear up the confusion with the frequency stuff in a mo.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Not quite. Let me try and explain more clearly.</p><p> </p><p>Your cable provider divides the capacity of the connection to your house into 6 MHz slots. Each of these slots is called an RF channel (some people also call it a physical channel). Same principle applies with over-the-air TV. That "magic" 6 MHz number comes from ATSC, SCTE and/or FCC rules and standards (other countries may use 7 or 8 MHz slots). In the "bad old analog days" it took one 6 MHz slot to carry just one analog channel either over-the-air (NTSC) or via cable (analog cable).</p><p> </p><p>In the past few years the US has been transitioning from analog TV transmission to digital TV transmission. So NTSC -> ATSC and analog cable -> digital cable. Digital transmission technologies have enabled TV broadcasters to use much less bandwidth per channel - more like 1 MHz rather than 6. However as mentioned above, they still divide the available capacity into the old 6 MHz slots.</p><p> </p><p>Isn't that a waste, I hear you ask (?). Well, yes... if they only transmitted one channel in each slot. In practice what they do is transmit a stream that contains a bunch of channels, so it is not so wasteful after all. This idea of a bunch of channels being transmitted together is called multiplexing, the combined stream is called a transport stream or TS for short (note that a TS may contain only one channel, but for efficiency reasons the broadcasters usually multiplex as many channels as they can fit within the 6 MHz slot).</p><p> </p><p>Changing tach here for a moment, lets talk about tuners...</p><p> </p><p>Tuners are capable of tuning 1 RF channel (or slot) at any given time. In the past that meant that a person would need one tuner per [analog] channel. Now with digital, tuners can still only tune one RF channel at a time but they receive the combined transport stream. This means that you can receive more than one channel with just one tuner. The channels that you get depend on which channels the broadcaster decided to multiplex together.</p><p> </p><p>Does that all make sense so far?</p><p>I hope so. If not just ask... but for now I'll assume the answer is yes.</p><p> </p><p>Okay. So getting to TV Server now. TV Server is smart. It allows you to timeshift or record all the channels which are available in the multiplexed transport stream. You can almost think of it like a splitter that splits the channels that you want to watch out of the full multiplex into recording or timeshift files on your hard drive. Compare TV Server with WMC: WMC can only receive one channel per tuner like in the analog days, so in that sense TV Server has a huge advantage <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />D).</p><p> </p><p>When I said that the two channels you had tested were on the same frequency, I meant that they were transmitted in the same slot or multiplex. In other words, TV Server should be able to receive both of them using just one tuner. As it turns out, there is a bug in TV Server that is preventing that feature from working properly for ATSC and cable channels... and that is what the patch is for - to re-enable the feature so-to-speak.</p><p> </p><p>So with the patch, you should be able to disable each of your tuners in turn but still be able to record both the channels that you previously tested with. In fact, if you disable all except one tuner in TV Server configuration and then start timeshifting/recording one channel in MP, MP will tell you which other channels you can still watch or record (see <a href="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/14_Using_MediaPortal/3_TV/0_TV_Guide/Mini_Guide" target="_blank">here</a> - the icon key)</p><p> </p><p>Hopefully you're still with me?</p><p> </p><p>So what I want you to do is to test recording those two channels with each of the two tuners on your HVR2250 in isolation. This will take two tests; one with the first tuner enabled and the second disabled, and the second test with the first tuner disabled and the second tuner enabled. You can disable/enable tuners in the tuner list in TV Server configuration by unticking them:</p><p><a href="http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/02_TV_Servers#Tuners" target="_blank">http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/02_TV_Servers#Tuners</a></p><p> </p><p>This way we can check whether the problem only occurs when both tuners are active.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Hopefully the explanation above covers off the questions here. To answer briefly: yes, that is exactly what I want you to test (<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />). You should be able to record/tune 2 or more channels at once *as long as the patch is installed correctly*.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>No worries - I'm fully aware that this stuff is a little complex, and I breezed over it quite quickly assuming that you knew about this from the previous problem. My fault for assuming. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p>mm</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mm1352000, post: 888999, member: 82144"] Hello again Lets be clear, because there are two mappings involved here. We have: remote button --> key key --> MP action I know very little about the first mapping (I've always used EventGhost for this) except that it is handled in the "remotes" section of MP configuration. The second mapping is handled in the keys and sounds section of MP configuration. I note from the[URL='http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/MediaPortal_Configuration/11_General/12_Keys_and_Sounds'] "keys and sounds"[/URL] section in the wiki: [B][/B] So part of the answer to your question is the keymap.xml file, for the mapping from key to MP action. It may be possible to remove or change the key that is linked to this action, but I don't think you can disable it entirely. Well, yes it is the same tuner [I]card[/I] but not necessarily the same tuner [I]tuner[/I]... if that makes sense. In other words, there are two tuners on the card but we haven't ruled out whether performing both recordings with one tuner results in the same issues. I think this is the crux of where we have the differing understanding/opinion. I'll try to explain what I'm saying in more detail once we've got through the other questions/points... It could I guess, but as you say - it shouldn't. No, it shouldn't have created a subdirectory. The zip file contains one file - the patched TVLibrary.dll. What I am asking you to do is replace the TVLibrary.dll that TV Server is currently using with the one from the zip file. Yes, kind of, but not entirely. When you start recordings in MP you can't control or know which tuner will be used to perform the recording. Manual control allows you to see and/or specify which tuner should be used. I'll come back to this. Yes, that is correct. In the [URL='http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/03_TV_Channels/2_Mapping']mapping[/URL] section of TV Server configuration you link channels to tuners. I'll try and clear up the confusion with the frequency stuff in a mo. Not quite. Let me try and explain more clearly. Your cable provider divides the capacity of the connection to your house into 6 MHz slots. Each of these slots is called an RF channel (some people also call it a physical channel). Same principle applies with over-the-air TV. That "magic" 6 MHz number comes from ATSC, SCTE and/or FCC rules and standards (other countries may use 7 or 8 MHz slots). In the "bad old analog days" it took one 6 MHz slot to carry just one analog channel either over-the-air (NTSC) or via cable (analog cable). In the past few years the US has been transitioning from analog TV transmission to digital TV transmission. So NTSC -> ATSC and analog cable -> digital cable. Digital transmission technologies have enabled TV broadcasters to use much less bandwidth per channel - more like 1 MHz rather than 6. However as mentioned above, they still divide the available capacity into the old 6 MHz slots. Isn't that a waste, I hear you ask (?). Well, yes... if they only transmitted one channel in each slot. In practice what they do is transmit a stream that contains a bunch of channels, so it is not so wasteful after all. This idea of a bunch of channels being transmitted together is called multiplexing, the combined stream is called a transport stream or TS for short (note that a TS may contain only one channel, but for efficiency reasons the broadcasters usually multiplex as many channels as they can fit within the 6 MHz slot). Changing tach here for a moment, lets talk about tuners... Tuners are capable of tuning 1 RF channel (or slot) at any given time. In the past that meant that a person would need one tuner per [analog] channel. Now with digital, tuners can still only tune one RF channel at a time but they receive the combined transport stream. This means that you can receive more than one channel with just one tuner. The channels that you get depend on which channels the broadcaster decided to multiplex together. Does that all make sense so far? I hope so. If not just ask... but for now I'll assume the answer is yes. Okay. So getting to TV Server now. TV Server is smart. It allows you to timeshift or record all the channels which are available in the multiplexed transport stream. You can almost think of it like a splitter that splits the channels that you want to watch out of the full multiplex into recording or timeshift files on your hard drive. Compare TV Server with WMC: WMC can only receive one channel per tuner like in the analog days, so in that sense TV Server has a huge advantage (:D). When I said that the two channels you had tested were on the same frequency, I meant that they were transmitted in the same slot or multiplex. In other words, TV Server should be able to receive both of them using just one tuner. As it turns out, there is a bug in TV Server that is preventing that feature from working properly for ATSC and cable channels... and that is what the patch is for - to re-enable the feature so-to-speak. So with the patch, you should be able to disable each of your tuners in turn but still be able to record both the channels that you previously tested with. In fact, if you disable all except one tuner in TV Server configuration and then start timeshifting/recording one channel in MP, MP will tell you which other channels you can still watch or record (see [URL='http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/14_Using_MediaPortal/3_TV/0_TV_Guide/Mini_Guide']here[/URL] - the icon key) Hopefully you're still with me? So what I want you to do is to test recording those two channels with each of the two tuners on your HVR2250 in isolation. This will take two tests; one with the first tuner enabled and the second disabled, and the second test with the first tuner disabled and the second tuner enabled. You can disable/enable tuners in the tuner list in TV Server configuration by unticking them: [url]http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/1_MEDIAPORTAL_1/141_Configuration/TV-Server_Configuration/02_TV_Servers#Tuners[/url] This way we can check whether the problem only occurs when both tuners are active. Hopefully the explanation above covers off the questions here. To answer briefly: yes, that is exactly what I want you to test (;)). You should be able to record/tune 2 or more channels at once *as long as the patch is installed correctly*. No worries - I'm fully aware that this stuff is a little complex, and I breezed over it quite quickly assuming that you knew about this from the previous problem. My fault for assuming. :) mm [/QUOTE]
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