My Trailers will not play a trailer or a clip | CVS 11-10-2005--23-04 (1 Viewer)

[Taipan]

Windows Version: XP Professional, SP2
CPU Type: AMD 2400+
Memory: 512 MB
Motherboard: Gigabyte 7VM400M-RZ
Motherboard Chipset: VIA KM400
Motherboard Bios:
Video Card: ATI Radeon 9550
Video Card Driver: 5.9
Sound Card: VIA VT1617
Sound Card AC3: no AC3
Sound Card Driver: 6.14.1.4100
TV Card: Dvico Fusion HDTV DVB-T
TV Card Type: DVB-T
TV Card Driver: 3.11
Video Render Type: VMR9
Video Codec: NVIDIA Pure video v1.02.150
Audio Codec: Dscaler
Satelite/CableTV Provider: n/a
HTPC Case: n/a, modified
Power Supply: n/a, 200W, modified
Remote: MCE 2005 (EU version)
TV: BENQ DLP Projector
TV - HTPC Connection: Sub-D

This is the same error that I get when I try to play an MP3 file in MyMusic (refer to this post).

However, I can watch other video files that I have, without getting these errors.

Also, I can copy and paste the "mms://" link into IE and it will play fine in Windows MediaPlayer10....

Steps to reproduce:-

1. Launch MediaPortal and select My Trailers
2. Select a move and then select a trailer or clip to view. Nothing happens - no black screen or any other signs of activity....
3. Wait approximately 30 seconds and try the same trailer or clip again - MediaPortal then aborts....

This problem has only appeared since I installed .NET Framework 2.0 and applied the latest CVS.

Here is the relevant section of the MediaPortal.log file:-

11/11/2005 12:29:32 PM key:13 0xD (2)
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM window:MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers deinit
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM texturemanager:dispose:thumbs\MPTemp -Zathura.jpg frames:1 total:4 mem left:201326592
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM texturemanager:CleanupThumbs()
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM Total Memory allocated:5.10 MB
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM window:MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUIVideoFullscreen init
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM playingFalse radio:False
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM player: file is not live tv, so stop timeshifting:mms://wmcontent50.bcst.yahoo.com/b02r01/002/yahoomovies/7/17174246.wmv?StreamID=17174246&b=639r4gd1i7uth433192d0&s=1808404698&Segment=145957&CG_ID=1350325
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM g_Player.Play(mms://wmcontent50.bcst.yahoo.com/b02r01/002/yahoomovies/7/17174246.wmv?StreamID=17174246&b=639r4gd1i7uth433192d0&s=1808404698&Segment=145957&CG_ID=1350325)
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM Loading external players plugins
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM found plugin:MediaPortal.ITunesPlayer.ITunesPlugin in plugins\ExternalPlayers\ExternalPlayers.dll
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM player:iTunes audio player. author: Frodo
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM found plugin:MediaPortal.FoobarPlugin.FoobarPlugin in plugins\ExternalPlayers\ExternalPlayers.dll
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM player:Foobar2000. author: int_20h
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM found plugin:MediaPortal.WinampPlayer.WinampPlugin in plugins\ExternalPlayers\ExternalPlayers.dll
11/11/2005 12:29:33 PM player:Winamp. author: int_20h
11/11/2005 12:29:34 PM OnMessage exceptionystem.Runtime.InteropServices.COMException (0x80040154): Class not registered (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80040154 (REGDB_E_CLASSNOTREG))
at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.CoCreateInstance(Guid& clsid, Object punkOuter, Int32 context, Guid& iid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateWithoutLicense(Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateWithLicense(String license, Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateInstanceCore(Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateInstance()
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.GetOcxCreate()
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.TransitionUpTo(Int32 state)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateHandle()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.EndInit()
at MediaPortal.Player.AudioPlayerWMP9.CreateInstance()
at MediaPortal.Player.AudioPlayerWMP9.Play(String strFile)
at MediaPortal.Player.g_Player.Play(String strFile)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.Play(String sort)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.OnClick(Int32 itemindex)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.OnClicked(Int32 controlId, GUIControl control, ActionType actionType)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Library.GUIWindow.OnMessage(GUIMessage message)11/11/2005 12:29:34 PM window:MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUIVideoFullscreen deinit
11/11/2005 12:29:34 PM texturemanager:CleanupThumbs()
11/11/2005 12:29:34 PM Total Memory allocated:5.21 MB
11/11/2005 12:29:34 PM Texturemanager loaded temporay:thumbs\MPTemp -Zathura.jpg 101x150 format:X8R8G8B8
11/11/2005 12:29:34 PM texturemanager:added:thumbs\MPTemp -Zathura.jpg total:3 mem left:201326592
11/11/2005 12:29:34 PM window:MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers init
11/11/2005 12:29:34 PM g_Player.Process() player stopped...
11/11/2005 12:29:34 PM g_Player.Stop()
11/11/2005 12:29:57 PM DVBGraphBDA:EPG done
11/11/2005 12:29:57 PM DVBGraphBDA:Grab epg for :7 Digital 2
11/11/2005 12:29:57 PM Vmr9:Enable:False
11/11/2005 12:29:57 PM DVBGraphBDA:TuneChannel() tune to channel:3
11/11/2005 12:29:57 PM DVBGraphBDA: tuning details: frequency:177500 KHz ONID:4115 TSID:1283 SID:1330 provider:unknown
11/11/2005 12:29:57 PM DVBGraphBDAubmitTuneRequest() frequency:177500 KHz Bandwidth:7 ONID:4115 TSID:1283, SID:1330
11/11/2005 12:29:58 PM DVBGraphBDA:TuneChannel() done freq:177500 ONID:4115 TSID:1283 prog:1330 audio:302 video:301 pmt:320 ac3:FFFFFFFF txt:304
11/11/2005 12:29:58 PM Twinhan: check for twinhan driver
11/11/2005 12:29:58 PM DVBDemuxer:7 Digital 2 audio:302 video:301 teletext:304 pmt:320 subtitle:FFFFFFFF program:1330
11/11/2005 12:29:58 PM Vmr9:Enable:True
11/11/2005 12:29:58 PM DVBGraphBDA: start graph
11/11/2005 12:29:59 PM demuxer:video pid:301 is unscrambled
11/11/2005 12:29:59 PM DVBDemuxer:receiving DVB packets
11/11/2005 12:29:59 PM DVBGRAPHBDA:Got PMT version:30
11/11/2005 12:30:01 PM key:13 0xD (2)
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM window:MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers deinit
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM texturemanager:dispose:thumbs\MPTemp -Zathura.jpg frames:1 total:4 mem left:201326592
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM texturemanager:CleanupThumbs()
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM Total Memory allocated:5.20 MB
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM window:MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUIVideoFullscreen init
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM playingFalse radio:False
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM player: file is not live tv, so stop timeshifting:mms://re2wmcontent56.bcst.re2.yahoo.com/re2pub07root4/re2pub07share15/yahoomovies/7/17174246.wmv?StreamID=17174246&b=639r4gd1i7uth433192d0&s=1808404698&Segment=145957&CG_ID=1350325
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM g_Player.Play(mms://re2wmcontent56.bcst.re2.yahoo.com/re2pub07root4/re2pub07share15/yahoomovies/7/17174246.wmv?StreamID=17174246&b=639r4gd1i7uth433192d0&s=1808404698&Segment=145957&CG_ID=1350325)
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM OnMessage exceptionystem.Runtime.InteropServices.COMException (0x80040154): Class not registered (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80040154 (REGDB_E_CLASSNOTREG))
at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.CoCreateInstance(Guid& clsid, Object punkOuter, Int32 context, Guid& iid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateWithoutLicense(Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateWithLicense(String license, Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateInstanceCore(Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateInstance()
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.GetOcxCreate()
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.TransitionUpTo(Int32 state)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateHandle()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.EndInit()
at MediaPortal.Player.AudioPlayerWMP9.CreateInstance()
at MediaPortal.Player.AudioPlayerWMP9.Play(String strFile)
at MediaPortal.Player.g_Player.Play(String strFile)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.Play(String sort)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.OnClick(Int32 itemindex)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.OnClicked(Int32 controlId, GUIControl control, ActionType actionType)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Library.GUIWindow.OnMessage(GUIMessage message)
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM ProcessWindows exceptionroperty get of 'Ctlcontrols' cannot be invoked at this time.
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM MediaPortal stopped due 2 an exception Exception of type 'System.Windows.Forms.AxHost+InvalidActiveXStateException' was thrown. AxInterop.WMPLib at AxMicrosoft.MediaPlayer.Interop.AxWindowsMediaPlayer.get_Ctlcontrols()
at MediaPortal.Player.AudioPlayerWMP9.get_CurrentPosition()
at MediaPortal.Player.g_Player.get_CurrentPosition()
at MediaPortal.TV.Recording.Recorder.Process()
at MediaPortalApp.OnProcess()
at MediaPortal.D3DApp.Application_Idle(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.IMsoComponent.FDoIdle(Int32 grfidlef)
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ComponentManager.System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.IMsoComponentManager.FPushMessageLoop(Int32 dwComponentID, Int32 reason, Int32 pvLoopData)
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoopInner(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context)
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoop(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context)
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.Run(Form mainForm)
at MediaPortalApp.Main()11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM Mediaportal.OnExit()
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM g_Player.Stop()
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM RecordertopViewing()
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM Recorder: Card:1 viewing:False recording:False timeshifting:False channel:
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM Card:1 DeleteGraph
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA: DeleteGraph()
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBDemuxer: audio:0 video:0 teletext:0 pmt:0 subtitle:0 program:-1
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:stop graph
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:graph stopped
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:remove vmr9
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:remove vmr7
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM free pins
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM free dvbanalyzer
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:free samplegrabber
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:free streambuffersink
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:free networkprovider
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:free tunerdevice
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:free capturedevice
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:free demux
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:free remove graph
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:free remove capturegraphbuilder
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM DVBGraphBDA:free graphbuilder
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM Card:1 stop
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM PlugInManager.Stop()
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM MediaPortal done
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM dbs:closerogramDatabaseV3.db3
11/11/2005 12:30:02 PM dbs:close:TVDatabaseV21.db3

 

[csberto]

I had the same with My Trailers till I deactivated the Hauppage Remote in MP setup.

 

[Taipan]

I had the same with My Trailers till I deactivated the Hauppage Remote in MP setup.

Were you using a Hauppauge remote control unit?

I am using the MCE2005 remote control unit, so the Hauppauge is not activated in my case.

 

[csberto]

Yes, I have the Hauppauge remote control. But when I use it bij activating it in MP Setup I can't watch movietrailers (black screen). When I deactivate it watching movietrailers is ok.

 

[Taipan]

This problem still exists with the latest CVS (11-13-2005--23-02)....

 

[imported_ebeneezer]

Area: Media Portal Program
MediaPortal Version: 0.2.0 - Latest CVS
MediaPortal Skin: BlueTwo
Windows Version: Windows XP (SP2)
.NET CLR Version: 2.0.50727
Audio Codec: NVIDIA Audio Decoder
Video Codec: NVIDIA Video Decoder
CPU Type: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory: 511 MB
Motherboard Chipset: A7N8X-E (ASUSTeK Computer INC.)
TV Card Model: Hauppauge Nova-t
TV Card Type: DVB
TV Card Driver: 2.2
Video Card Model: NVIDIA GeForce 6200 (128 MB)
Video Card Driver: 81.94
Video Card Resolution: 1280x720
Video Render Type: VMR9
Audio Card Model: NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio
Audio Card Driver: 4.62
Synopsis::

Hi, same problem for me with latest cvs. I use also hauppauge remote but i have the problem with remote activate or deactivate.

log mp3 19/11/2005 00:55:16 OnMessage exceptionystem.Runtime.InteropServices.COMException (0x80040154): Classe non enregistre (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80040154 (REGDB_E_CLASSNOTREG))
at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.CoCreateInstance(Guid& clsid, Object punkOuter, Int32 context, Guid& iid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateWithoutLicense(Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateWithLicense(String license, Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateInstanceCore(Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateInstance()
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.GetOcxCreate()
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.TransitionUpTo(Int32 state)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateHandle()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.EndInit()
at MediaPortal.Player.AudioPlayerWMP9.CreateInstance()
at MediaPortal.Player.AudioPlayerWMP9.Play(String strFile)
at MediaPortal.Player.g_Player.Play(String strFile)
at MediaPortal.Playlists.PlayListPlayer.Play(Int32 iSong)
at MediaPortal.Playlists.PlayListPlayer.Play(String filename)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Music.GUIMusicFiles.OnClick(Int32 iItem)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Music.GUIMusicBaseWindow.OnClicked(Int32 controlId, GUIControl control, ActionType actionType)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Music.GUIMusicFiles.OnClicked(Int32 controlId, GUIControl control, ActionType actionType)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Library.GUIWindow.OnMessage(GUIMessage message)
19/11/2005 00:55:16 g_Player.Process() player stopped...
19/11/2005 00:55:16 g_Player.Stop()
19/11/2005 00:55:24 Mediaportal.OnExit()

trailer log
19/11/2005 00:53:51 OnMessage exceptionystem.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: startIndex
at System.String.LastIndexOf(String value, Int32 startIndex, Int32 count, StringComparison comparisonType)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.ShowMovieInfo(String url, String name, Int32 i)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.OnClick(Int32 itemindex)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.OnClicked(Int32 controlId, GUIControl control, ActionType actionType)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Library.GUIWindow.OnMessage(GUIMessage message)
19/11/2005 00:53:54 OnMessage exceptionystem.Runtime.InteropServices.COMException (0x80040154): Classe non enregistre (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80040154 (REGDB_E_CLASSNOTREG))
at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.CoCreateInstance(Guid& clsid, Object punkOuter, Int32 context, Guid& iid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateWithoutLicense(Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateWithLicense(String license, Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateInstanceCore(Guid clsid)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateInstance()
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.GetOcxCreate()
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.TransitionUpTo(Int32 state)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.CreateHandle()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.AxHost.EndInit()
at MediaPortal.Player.AudioPlayerWMP9.CreateInstance()
at MediaPortal.Player.AudioPlayerWMP9.Play(String strFile)
at MediaPortal.Player.g_Player.Play(String strFile)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.Play(String sort)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.OnClick(Int32 itemindex)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.OnClicked(Int32 controlId, GUIControl control, ActionType actionType)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Library.GUIWindow.OnMessage(GUIMessage message)

 

[Zipperzip]

Hey

I just downloaded mediaportal-cvs-11-21-2005--23-07.rar and have no errors with it.

Yahoo changed the site, without asking me so i had to change the code again. Thats why you got these errors:

OnMessage exceptionystem.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: startIndex
at System.String.LastIndexOf(String value, Int32 startIndex, Int32 count, StringComparison comparisonType)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.ShowMovieInfo(St ring url, String name, Int32 i)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.OnClick(Int32 itemindex)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers.OnClicked(Int32 controlId, GUIControl control, ActionType actionType)
at MediaPortal.GUI.Library.GUIWindow.OnMessage(GUIMes sage message)

So hopefully it all works again, please try.

Greets Zipperzip

 

[Taipan]

I have just applied the latest CVS (12-05-2005--23-09) and there is partial success....

The first time that I enter My Trailers (from a fresh launch of MP), I can select and play a trailer. However, if I stop the playing and exit My Trailers and then re-enter My Trailers (without doing anything else), it will no longer play any clips or trailers. MediaPortal does not exit or freeze, it just will not play any files....

Here is the relevant section of the MediaPortal log file for the time when I tried to play a second movie clip in My Trailers:-


7/12/2005 6:12:44 PM key:13 0xD (2)
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM window:MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers deinit
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM texturemanager:dispose:thumbs\MPTemp -Memoirs of a Geisha.jpg frames:1 total:4 mem left:201326592
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM texturemanager:CleanupThumbs()
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM Total Memory allocated:5.29 MB
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM Recorder:disable dx9 exclusive mode
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM goto windowed:True
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM window:MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUIVideoFullscreen init
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM player: file is not live tv, so stop timeshifting:mms://re2wmcontent56.bcst.re2.yahoo.com/re2pub07root5/re2pub07share18/yahoomovies/13/20120996.wmv?StreamID=20120996&b=639r4gd1i7uth433192d0&s=1808403312&Segment=160379&CG_ID=1395573
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM g_Player.Play(mms://re2wmcontent56.bcst.re2.yahoo.com/re2pub07root5/re2pub07share18/yahoomovies/13/20120996.wmv?StreamID=20120996&b=639r4gd1i7uth433192d0&s=1808403312&Segment=160379&CG_ID=1395573)
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM OnMessage exceptionroperty set of 'uiMode' cannot be invoked at this time.
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM window:MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUIVideoFullscreen deinit
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM texturemanager:CleanupThumbs()
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM Total Memory allocated:5.29 MB
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM Recorder:disable dx9 exclusive mode
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM goto windowed:True
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM Texturemanager loaded temporay:thumbs\MPTemp -Memoirs of a Geisha.jpg 101x150 format:X8R8G8B8
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM texturemanager:added:thumbs\MPTemp -Memoirs of a Geisha.jpg total:3 mem left:201326592
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM window:MediaPortal.GUI.Video.GUITrailers init
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM playingFalse radio:True
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM g_Player.Process() player stopped...
7/12/2005 6:12:45 PM g_Player.Stop()

Notice the error message in red.....

I get exactly the same behaviour when trying to play MP3 files - see here for that problem.

 

[Taipan]

Now this is really weird - I just tried to reproduce the problem so I could submit some system log files - and I can't make the problem occur!

I can't make it occur within My Music, nor within My Trailers - the problem has magically cured itself....

I can't recall making any changes today (and the problem has plagued me all day) that would explain why I can no longer reproduce it - except that I did re-boot my PC about an hour ago.....maybe that was the fix?....