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I'm a WMC and XBMC user, and every now and again I like to check out the alternatives - I'm probably not gonna stick with MediaPortal yet - but thought I'd share some experiences as feedback.

Installation of MediaPortal is a little scary... WMC is preinstalled with Win 7 so not a fair comparison there, but look at XBMC - a few clicks and no questions later and its up and running. Why should I care about MySQL or Visual C++ runtimes etc, whether I want on online or offline install? I just wanna watch some of my media!

That aside, the installation worked fine. Now on to using it... oh wait I need to configure stuff first? Ok, I'll run up the configuration tool - another question... do I want simple configuration or expert? I'll start with simple and see if that has everything I need.

Hmm - there are a lot of options here - and this is simple?

Oh well, it looks logically structured, and I'm fairly familiar with media applications, so I'll just point it at my Video collection and see what happens... Video Folders, that looks like the right place, nothing to tell me otherwise. I'll add my three network shares of movies. Hmm, I can't seem to add them as a single location - nevermind I'll add all three and then work out how to join them later.

Why can't I tick more than one? Does the tick mean its selected - can I only use one? Hang on, nothing on this page indicates to me what ticking one of these means... I'll try and see what happens.

Ok - thats enough configuration, lets try and play a video. Starting up media portal - kinda takes a long time... keymap, loading window manager, starting plugins... First thoughts are this is not gonna sit well with the Mrs when she wants to switch between different apps on the HTPC. XBMC starts in about 3 seconds, WMC in about the same time.. this takes 11 seconds - maybe I'm too harsh...

Hmm, the default skin is ugly... I know WMC is ugly, but then thats closed source nasty Microsoft. XBMC has a cracking default skin, why not Media Portal? Oh well, I'm sure I can find an alternative later.

Lets watch a video - hang on, all my videos just appear as their folder names no cover art or plot, and when I click on them I just see the video extension, and when I click on that, it says Codec: AVC and won't play it... Not a great start.

Quick google later and I find that F3 queries IMDB. Ok give that a go. First film "127 Hours (2010)" - click F3. Nothing found... ok, it lets me manually enter something, I'll get rid of the year in case that messes it up. "127 Hours" - still nothing found. Hmm. Ill try "127", oh look that has found "127 Hours (2010) EN" - grrr...

Well its loaded the cover art, but there is no plot and no actors. Come back to that later - now why wont it play. It plays fine in VLC, and I have ffdshow installed. Its an mkv file maybe thats a problem... quick google... Haali splitter - ok give that a try. Great that seems to have fixed it - now why isn't that included in the standard install?

Now lets sort out this ugly skin. On the Media Portal website, there are some plugins - ooh Maya, that looks pretty, download that. Ah, I can just double click to install it - that's nice.

Restart MediaPortal - hmm.. no, still has the old skin. Lets check configuration. Where would skins be... well I downloaded it under plugins, so plugins seems logical. Nope. General, ah there it is.

Ok, now I have a pretty skin, but my library is still separate folders, and I think I've worked out that the tick on the folder makes it the default. I've tried pointing it at Windows 7's library feature to merge multiple shares - but it doesn't like that...

Ah, in the configuration there is a tab called Video Database - that sounds like what I want, and there is an update grabber button. I'll try that. Oh, now its selected a German IMDB as default?? Nevermind, I'll pick EN again. Right, now the plot and actors bit seems to be working. I wonder why MediaPortal didn't update this at installation, would have saved me a lot of grief!

Ok - there appears to be a Scan section in the video database, that will save me from pressing F3 on every film - I wonder why it didn't tell me this at install!? The scan has completed and it has 30 conflicts. Hang on, every conflict it talks about find the right film as the first entry, and it matches my filename exactly (including the year)... what is the conflict here!? - why can't I just tell it to pick the first option every time and I'll correct the ones it gets wrong? Nope, 30 manual selections later and the library is good to go.

Great - now how do I get to the video database in the actual application... Videos still takes me to my video folders... hmm. Quick read of the wiki, and I have to select a different view.

Ok - all looks good now.

Do I go on to TV shows now?... you know I think I'll go back to XBMC and wait for the next major version of Media Portal.

It's definitely better this time round than my last experience of Media Portal, but there is still so much you have to do out of the box just to get simple media to play, the default skin is ugly, and so much is not explained. I never thought I'd say this, but I longed for a getting started "wizard" that leads me through getting everything set up.

Hope this hasn't offended anyone, just my first impressions after using some of the competing players!

Thanks,
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    If you don't wanna configure anything or don't like to read the wiki (which is very good imo) then stick with XBMC or buy a movie cube!

    Furthermore I don't want MediaPortal to install any codecs.. I want to choose which codecs I do install! Anyway, theres a Codec Pack "designed" for MediaPortal called SAF.
    If you have a PC you really should be able to find and install the right codecs, else -> MovieCube
     

    2BitSculptor

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    Fair assessment.

    Media Portal is a diamond in the rough, literally. It certainly has a few areas that need to be finessed for general appliance use.

    My wife (as an example) does not bother with it. She is overwhelmed with its complexity. She simply does not have the tolerance for all the required reading and necessary, high level of foundational computer skills and background knowledge, for what she would term "a hobby". To her, the HTPC is still just a computer, not a home theater. She just wants to turn it on and have it work, like our coffee maker (which does require a few rudimentary skills and minimal preparation).

    That is why she has me :D ........ and I will not have any other HTPC software.... job security :D :D :D

    But it shouldn't have to be that way.

    Best regards,

    Chuck
     

    ryan20021982

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    MP is made for someone not wanting the lack of features that XBMC and WMC have, The reason there are so many options to choose from is there is just that much you can customize. It's fair to say MP take alot of time on initial use and alot of patience but its worth it or there wouldn't be this many users. The codec issue is actually the opposite, its a good thing if you ask me and my problem with XBMC for the longest time was the whole codec issue with HD. But if you would take the time to read the Wiki and give it more time then I guarantee you would be more pleased with it.
     

    jameson_uk

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    Totally agree with most the points raised. The last few releases of MP have made massive strides forward in terms of stability, features and usability in the application.

    This has taken a massive effort and the config had been improved a little but this is one area I would love to get slicker for MP 1.3.

    A few of the points you have raised will be made a lot better in the upcoming 1.2 release; config is a little better (particularly videos), each page in config now has a help button which links direct to a page in the wiki (still evolving) and also there is a new default skin
     

    bribbon

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    Why the Team forced a MP2 version?
    Did we haven't enough to do with MP1.xx?

    I can't understand that.

    The Developers maked great fortune with this first version!

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    Yup I do agree MP should just work out of the box, For the most simple of users. Then anyone wanting to change all their settings should have to go looking for it, Which they should be capable of doing if they know they need to.

    But Rome wasn't built in a day. :D
     

    Paranoid Delusion

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    Is it just me that finds the xbmc library views weird, tried it again 2 weeks ago, just could not get it looking right, ie ALL movies showing under one view level :confused:
     

    jameson_uk

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    Why the Team forced a MP2 version?
    Did we haven't enough to do with MP1.xx?

    a lot of the issues in MP are that the code has been around for so long and there are too many workarounds and non optimiZed code around that issues are hard to track down, fix and most importantly without breaking anything else

    remember that the code was forked from XBMC on the original xbox. Things have changed so much that MP is showing it's age. MP 2 is being written from scratch to address some of the issues with mp1 and just be better!
     

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