Questions regarding EPG (1 Viewer)

[AlfredENeuma]

Bram
Did you do the channel "Mappings" in the xmltv-plugin?

globaldonkey
if MP really has not to be running on the server to start WebEPG-plugin, everything would be fine. I will check this. Thanks!

 

[henk99]

Does that mean all my work on this install of MP is wasted? I have to start all over with this TV3? I'm sorry if my questions are stupid, but I don't understand how this all works.
When installing MP I gave all the right answers (the pc where MP is installed is also the pc where the tv cards are) MP then proceeded to install what is needed. All seems to be working fine except for the updating of the program guide into MP.
Why doesn't MP install this in the 1st place?
Also, I don't have a pc dedicated as TV server. I just have one mediacenter pc I want to use for recording tv and playback of movies.

mc2xml is fantastic. But no matter what method I choose to generate a TVguide.xml (WebEPG, mc2xml, other thirdpart tools, I've tried them all), MP refuses to import the data. Channels are imported but the xmltv plugin refuses to import the guide data. "no programs found;" is always the message.

The first time I said "import channels from program guide" it worked fine. Alle channels were imported and also the guide data was imported. I don't understand why MP can't do that more than one time

This is very sad day

I thought I had my htpc setup nicely and was about finished when I found out yesterday that the guide wasn't updating. Now I have to make a new installing of a tvserver or something, and I have just had a look at it, but I don't understand anything of it. The installing is very difficult for an inexperienced user in my opinion. I can't find any channels or program guides in it. I have no idea how to set it up. I really like MP, but this tv server stuff is much to complicated for me.

I turned my back on vista mce a few weeks ago when I went to the MP camp. But I have to say one thing, the tv part of VMC was working in 5 minutes! I can't say this for MP
I hope some1 has a newby guide to setting up this server stuff. I hate to go back to VMC because of a stupid program guide.

I don't want to nagg about it, but how can it be that MP can't import this same guide data when I already have it in an tvguide.xml file. MP imported it 1 time...perfectly. How come it doesn't do it after that?

 

[Bram]

After mapping the channels again the channels imported almost perfectly. But! I think every channel has a unique id, maybe for every new download. I'm not sure about this, but if so....it could mean every new TVguide.xml file will have to be mapped individually to be imported correctly.

 

[henk99]

After mapping the channels again the channels imported almost perfectly. But! I think every channel has a unique id, maybe for every new download. I'm not sure about this, but if so....it could mean every new TVguide.xml file will have to be mapped individually to be imported correctly.

I have no idea what you are saying, but hope you will find out more about it. It's a shame, I was so happy I had mc2xml working! I'm not such a computer wiz you know. It seemed like the perfect solution, but now I can't get it to work.

This TV server is way out of my league, I don't understand how to set it up.

So, I really hope you can get it to work!!

 

[Shinto61]

Where does your grabber get the program data ? If it is from TVGids.nl your problem is there as they have changed the layout of their page and the grabbers need to be updated. I also have no more program data since 15-10-08. Waiting for my grabber to be updated

 

[AlfredENeuma]

does that mean all my work on this install of MP is wasted......
....Now I have to make a new installing of a tvserver or something, and I have just had a look at it, but I don't understand anything of it.....
....the tv part of VMC was working in 5 minutes! I can't say this for MP....
....because of a stupid program guide....
It's a shame

Yes, its a shame, indeed.
Its a shame that some people are expecting from a program that it will exactly do what they want, and that its self explaining, and and and....
Its a shame that exactly these people are claiming "waste of time" because they do not want to read the manuals BEFORE they start installing and blame the developers of these programs for all their problems - forgetting, that the developers "wasted" much much much more time in providing the program as well as the manuals...
Its a shame that everything which is not working as it is in the own mind is called stupid..

If you want to stop the developpers to work for hours, days, years on a project like this, just add more comments like these...!!!!

 

[globaldonkey]

I turned my back on vista mce a few weeks ago when I went to the MP camp. But I have to say one thing, the tv part of VMC was working in 5 minutes! I can't say this for MP
I hope some1 has a newby guide to setting up this server stuff. I hate to go back to VMC because of a stupid program guide.

I'm sorry you feel that way. You should probably temper your comparison with the fact that MCE is a commercial product that is well packaged that you pay a lot of money for, but is also limited in functionality. MediaPortal is a FREE open source platform that is still in development and is infinitely customisable. And as I think you have seen, there is a great community that is able to help you.

I would recommend you read the wiki.

TV-Server - MediaPortal Wiki Documentation

I can't help you with configuring xmltv in MP itself. Somebody else may be able to. My experience is with xmltv plugin in TV server.

After mapping the channels again the channels imported almost perfectly. But! I think every channel has a unique id, maybe for every new download. I'm not sure about this, but if so....it could mean every new TVguide.xml file will have to be mapped individually to be imported correctly.

Can you give an example of the mappings you used that are unique, and an extract of that channel definition in your tvguide.xml file. That should not be necessary.

 

[henk99]

Where does your grabber get the program data ? If it is from TVGids.nl your problem is there as they have changed the layout of their page and the grabbers need to be updated. I also have no more program data since 15-10-08. Waiting for my grabber to be updated

Shinto, the xm2xml grabber gets the data from the same place where windows media center gets its data. This data is about 10-14 days ahead. This place is not tvgids.nl

does that mean all my work on this install of MP is wasted......
....Now I have to make a new installing of a tvserver or something, and I have just had a look at it, but I don't understand anything of it.....
....the tv part of VMC was working in 5 minutes! I can't say this for MP....
....because of a stupid program guide....
It's a shame

Yes, its a shame, indeed.
Its a shame that some people are expecting from a program that it will exactly do what they want, and that its self explaining, and and and....
Its a shame that exactly these people are claiming "waste of time" because they do not want to read the manuals BEFORE they start installing and blame the developers of these programs for all their problems - forgetting, that the developers "wasted" much much much more time in providing the program as well as the manuals...
Its a shame that everything which is not working as it is in the own mind is called stupid..

If you want to stop the developpers to work for hours, days, years on a project like this, just add more comments like these...!!!!

AlfredENeuma, I don't care much for your 'angry' reply to my message. I have no intention to attack any of the developers and I don't like you making that suggestion without knowing me.
I like MP enormously and have said so in my post. I am simply very frustrated that I can't get this guide to work. I am not very good with computers so I am already very proud of myself in getting MP to work at all! I thought I had everything perfect when i found out the guide wasn't working properly. When I found out that getting it to work would mean a new install, that would automatically mean I would have to do the same difficult thing all over again. To me, that looks like an enormous obstacle.

I'm sorry you feel that way. You should probably temper your comparison with the fact that MCE is a commercial product that is well packaged that you pay a lot of money for, but is also limited in functionality. MediaPortal is a FREE open source platform that is still in development and is infinitely customisable. And as I think you have seen, there is a great community that is able to help you.

I would recommend you read the wiki.

TV-Server - MediaPortal Wiki Documentation

I can't help you with configuring xmltv in MP itself. Somebody else may be able to. My experience is with xmltv plugin in TV server.

I have read the wiki and spent the entire evening on getting the server part to work, but it is simply out of my league I guess. I have gotten some channels to show something but I have been unsuccessful in getting a tvguide into MP. However clear this wiki looked to me, it still skipped a lot of steps that I probably needed to understand what I am doing.

btw, I am fully aware that MP is free and completely different from a commercial product. I have absolutely no intention to disrespect any of the people working on MP and helping here in the forum. In my opinion it is still allowed to compare certain functions though without stepping on some peoples toes. To me as a computer idiot, there is simply a huge difference in setting up the tv part of MP with respect to VMC. I hope I am allowed to state this.....

 

[globaldonkey]

I think you can take both replies to your post as a request to reign in the expression of frustration. We all get that. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've uninstalled and re-installed MP, and the good news is you get better at it the more you do it.

You've got this far, so I wouldn't classify yourself as a computer idiot. Just take your time and reset your expectation that you will get everything right in a few hours.

If you'd like some help with TV Server, try starting a thread in the TV server forum, take the time to describe your problem fully, and post your logs.

 

[henk99]

You've got this far, so I wouldn't classify yourself as a computer idiot. Just take your time and reset your expectation that you will get everything right in a few hours.

If you'd like some help with TV Server, try starting a thread in the TV server forum, take the time to describe your problem fully, and post your logs.

Maybe not a complete idiot, but looking at the install procedures (and config) I find MP itself is very doable when you are not a wiz. There is a very clear flow. TVserver is another story in my opinion. I find this very hard to setup. Actually, I can't get it to work still, after quite some hours of trying already. Even when following the wiki, there are still lots of things I don't get.

Some1 in another thread about epg has posted a step-by-step guide, which i hope helps me along.