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<blockquote data-quote="CyberSimian" data-source="post: 1098319" data-attributes="member: 141969">Thank you!Yes, I was using the installation default, which is &quot;Covers&quot; layout (see screen shot, which shows filmstrip with the focus on the last item; note: last item has no programme info available to MP -- it is a WTV file).Yes, now that I have tried &quot;Thumbs&quot; layout, it gives a better presentation for recorded TV that has been moved to the &quot;Video&quot; section, and I would indeed like to see the programme info for it.&nbsp; But I appreciate that it would be an enhancement, and that you would need to fit that in with other calls on your time (assuming that you agree, of course!).More generally, I think that one ends up force-fitting one's requirements into the tool available.&nbsp; Storing recorded TV in the &quot;Videos&quot; section is not an obvious thing to do.&nbsp; WMC had irritating quirks with the way that it handled the &quot;Recorded TV&quot; folder, and storing recorded TV in the &quot;Video&quot; section was the best way to circumvent these quirks.&nbsp; If MP does not have these quirks, storing recorded TV in the &quot;Video&quot; section may not be necessary.&nbsp; (I need to spend some time experimenting to determine how things behave.)&nbsp; But as a rule of thumb, I would say that if information is available, there should be a way to see it!I will report on the &quot;Thumbs&quot; layout in a moment, but staying with the &quot;Covers&quot; layout, when I was testing this morning, I noticed a third oddity about &quot;Filmstrip&quot;.&nbsp; I displayed my test folder in &quot;Filmstrip&quot; layout, then pressed RIGHT repeatedly.&nbsp; At some point the list scrolled to bring into view the last item in the list.&nbsp; Further RIGHT presses brought the focus to the last item (see screen shot).&nbsp; There is no arrow pointing right, but another RIGHT press displayed the side-bar menu. but with no choice highlighted.&nbsp; In this state, LEFT and RIGHT do nothing, but pressing DOWN once or several times eventually causes a choice to be highlighted.&nbsp; This is always the &quot;Settings&quot; choice.&nbsp; Now LEFT and RIGHT do work, and it is possible to return to the filmstrip.Now that we are back on the filmstrip, pressing LEFT repeatedly moves the focus along the list to the left, and at some point the list scrolls to omit the last item.&nbsp; But now the last item has disappeared permanently!&nbsp; Pressing RIGHT repeatedly to move the focus back to the last item only goes as far as the penultimate item, and RIGHT from the penultimate items displays the side-bar menu (once again, with no choice highlighted).&nbsp; Exiting &quot;Videos&quot; to the &quot;Home&quot; panel resets things, and the last item is visible once again on entering filmstrip.The &quot;Covers&quot; layout seems to have problems too (this is using the new xml file).&nbsp; I entered the filmstrip display, pressed RIGHT repeatedly to get to the last item.&nbsp; Now, of the four possible directions:&nbsp;(1) LEFT moved the focus back to the penultimate item (OK).(2) UP and RIGHT displayed the side-bar menu with the topmost choice highlighted (OK).&nbsp; In this state, the LEFT and RIGHT buttons work normally to remove the side-bar menu from the display and return to filmstrip.(3) DOWN displayed the side-bar menu with no choice highlighted (incorrect).&nbsp; In this state, LEFT and RIGHT did nothing, but UP removed the menu from the display and returned to filmstrip.&nbsp; Note that there is no down arrow displayed in filmstrip.Also, when the focus is on the middle item in the filmstrip, with an item off-screen on the left, and another item off-screen on the right, only a left arrow is visible; there is no right arrow.This is all very puzzling.&nbsp; The folder that I have used for these tests is a folder that contains a few test files.&nbsp; There are three DVR-MS files (no metadata), three WTV files (again no metadata), and two TS files recorded recently using MP (one TV, one radio) complete with XML files.&nbsp; These errors are all repeatable.&nbsp; Is there some &quot;super debug mode&quot; that you want me to enable and run the tests again?I started using WMC in 2009, and experience since then has shown why HTPCs have not become a mass-market choice -- there are too many itty-bitty things that go wrong or don't work properly.&nbsp; You might think that a TV is a TV -- simply plug it in!&nbsp; But it is not quite that simple (I will skip that tale of woe), and the result is that I have to run my LCD TV at 1228x690.&nbsp; This is not ideal, but is the &quot;least worst&quot; of the alternatives.&nbsp; However, I do normally run MP fullscreen (and I take the screen shots in fullscreen).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CyberSimian, post: 1098319, member: 141969"] Thank you! Yes, I was using the installation default, which is "Covers" layout (see screen shot, which shows filmstrip with the focus on the last item; note: last item has no programme info available to MP -- it is a WTV file). Yes, now that I have tried "Thumbs" layout, it gives a better presentation for recorded TV that has been moved to the "Video" section, and I would indeed like to see the programme info for it. But I appreciate that it would be an enhancement, and that you would need to fit that in with other calls on your time (assuming that you agree, of course!). More generally, I think that one ends up force-fitting one's requirements into the tool available. Storing recorded TV in the "Videos" section is not an obvious thing to do. WMC had irritating quirks with the way that it handled the "Recorded TV" folder, and storing recorded TV in the "Video" section was the best way to circumvent these quirks. If MP does not have these quirks, storing recorded TV in the "Video" section may not be necessary. (I need to spend some time experimenting to determine how things behave.) But as a rule of thumb, I would say that if information is available, there should be a way to see it! I will report on the "Thumbs" layout in a moment, but staying with the "Covers" layout, when I was testing this morning, I noticed a third oddity about "Filmstrip". I displayed my test folder in "Filmstrip" layout, then pressed RIGHT repeatedly. At some point the list scrolled to bring into view the last item in the list. Further RIGHT presses brought the focus to the last item (see screen shot). There is no arrow pointing right, but another RIGHT press displayed the side-bar menu. but with no choice highlighted. In this state, LEFT and RIGHT do nothing, but pressing DOWN once or several times eventually causes a choice to be highlighted. This is always the "Settings" choice. Now LEFT and RIGHT do work, and it is possible to return to the filmstrip. Now that we are back on the filmstrip, pressing LEFT repeatedly moves the focus along the list to the left, and at some point the list scrolls to omit the last item. But now the last item has disappeared permanently! Pressing RIGHT repeatedly to move the focus back to the last item only goes as far as the penultimate item, and RIGHT from the penultimate items displays the side-bar menu (once again, with no choice highlighted). Exiting "Videos" to the "Home" panel resets things, and the last item is visible once again on entering filmstrip. The "Covers" layout seems to have problems too (this is using the new xml file). I entered the filmstrip display, pressed RIGHT repeatedly to get to the last item. Now, of the four possible directions: (1) LEFT moved the focus back to the penultimate item (OK). (2) UP and RIGHT displayed the side-bar menu with the topmost choice highlighted (OK). In this state, the LEFT and RIGHT buttons work normally to remove the side-bar menu from the display and return to filmstrip. (3) DOWN displayed the side-bar menu with no choice highlighted (incorrect). In this state, LEFT and RIGHT did nothing, but UP removed the menu from the display and returned to filmstrip. Note that there is no down arrow displayed in filmstrip. Also, when the focus is on the middle item in the filmstrip, with an item off-screen on the left, and another item off-screen on the right, only a left arrow is visible; there is no right arrow. This is all very puzzling. The folder that I have used for these tests is a folder that contains a few test files. There are three DVR-MS files (no metadata), three WTV files (again no metadata), and two TS files recorded recently using MP (one TV, one radio) complete with XML files. These errors are all repeatable. Is there some "super debug mode" that you want me to enable and run the tests again? I started using WMC in 2009, and experience since then has shown why HTPCs have not become a mass-market choice -- there are too many itty-bitty things that go wrong or don't work properly. You might think that a TV is a TV -- simply plug it in! But it is not quite that simple (I will skip that tale of woe), and the result is that I have to run my LCD TV at 1228x690. This is not ideal, but is the "least worst" of the alternatives. However, I do normally run MP fullscreen (and I take the screen shots in fullscreen). [/QUOTE]

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