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Feynt

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Like quite a few people, it would seem, I've got my movies on a separate computer and I'm trying to stream them across my home network to another computer running MP. Mine is mostly going to be doing the gaming thing, but acts as a wireless access point for the other computer to get onto the internet so there's no real lag on the home network aside from standard wireless issues. Connection is good (it ought to be, it's only 5m through a floor), and I've managed to get FTP sharing going. Here's my problem:

This setup is for my mom, and she's not what you'd call computer literate. The MP computer however has limited drive space and can't store all of the stuff I rip/download for her to watch. I'd like to have it simply start playing videos rather than spending a few minutes downloading the next episode or 20-30 minutes downloading a movie image. So the first question is, can you stream via FTP?

The next problem, related, is that it doesn't seem to be possible to download something and watch something else (like precache a file while watching an already downloaded one), because it keeps complaining about a remote file downloading. Is there a way to make the downloads work in the background on request through MP so that you can watch something else? If so, that more or less eliminates the first issue.

Lastly, network sharing doesn't seem to want to work (that was the first thing I tried), despite FTP being effective. Doesn't matter what \\ I use to access it (\\<computer name>, or \\192.168.0.1, which is the right address) nothing seems to want to share. The workgroups match, file and print sharing is active on both ends, the only difference between the two is one computer is XP professional and the other is XP professional x64 (my computer). Is there something I might be missing here that would make the network sharing work?
 

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    Hi Feynt

    Yeah, in my opinion FTP isn't really suitable for what you are trying to do. FTP is simply a file transfer protocol - it doesn't support on-demand streaming. Shares is the way to go...

    Lastly, network sharing doesn't seem to want to work (that was the first thing I tried), despite FTP being effective. Doesn't matter what \\ I use to access it (\\<computer name>, or \\192.168.0.1, which is the right address) nothing seems to want to share. The workgroups match, file and print sharing is active on both ends, the only difference between the two is one computer is XP professional and the other is XP professional x64 (my computer). Is there something I might be missing here that would make the network sharing work?

    In addition, you actually have to set up shares for the folders on the computer that you want to access. Right click on the folder, go to the "sharing" tab, select "share this folder", click "new share", give the share a name (this is important), then set user permissions on the share. After that, assuming you've set things up correctly you should be able to access the share using \\192.168.0.1\<the-share-name-you-chose-earlier>\

    Edit: Other things you need to consider are firewalls. You have to configure them to allow the shares to be visible on the computer that your mom will be using. It might be easiest to use Windows Explorer to troubleshoot your share accessibility. First try navigating to the share using the share syntax [in WE address bar] on the computer that is hosting the share. If that works then the share is available. Next step is to try in WE on the remote machine. If access fails then you have a firewall or permissions issue. If it works, then set the share up as a folder in MP and try to access it. If that fails then MP can't access the share because of a firewall issue...
     

    Feynt

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    Hi Feynt

    Yeah, in my opinion FTP isn't really suitable for what you are trying to do. FTP is simply a file transfer protocol - it doesn't support on-demand streaming. Shares is the way to go...
    Unfortunate. FTP is preferred in my opinion, and I know you can stream MP3s at the least via FTP. And no possibility to just download in the background while watching something in the foreground which is already cached?
    In addition, you actually have to set up shares for the folders on the computer that you want to access. Right click on the folder, go to the "sharing" tab, select "share this folder", click "new share", give the share a name (this is important), then set user permissions on the share. After that, assuming you've set things up correctly you should be able to access the share using \\192.168.0.1\<the-share-name-you-chose-earlier>\
    I had actually set the folders to be shared, but I hadn't clicked the "New Share" button. That might be the step I missed, though I did give it a proper name at the top of the dialog. XP x64 has a different share dialog and lets you set the name on the same page as enabling the sharing. I can't seem to find a picture of it right now though. I'll try it when I get home.
    Edit: Other things you need to consider are firewalls. You have to configure them to allow the shares to be visible on the computer that your mom will be using. It might be easiest to use Windows Explorer to troubleshoot your share accessibility. First try navigating to the share using the share syntax [in WE address bar] on the computer that is hosting the share. If that works then the share is available. Next step is to try in WE on the remote machine. If access fails then you have a firewall or permissions issue. If it works, then set the share up as a folder in MP and try to access it. If that fails then MP can't access the share because of a firewall issue...
    No firewalls, it's strictly a computer to computer connection. I'm using ICS to allow the media computer connect through my gaming computer. Pinging the address works (obviously), and as mentioned FTP works. Work groups are the same as mentioned before. I am trying to open the folder through the run dialog (Start->Run:\\192.168.0.1\<folder name> ) but I keep getting error messages. I'm not home right now to check what that error is at the moment. I'll try the New Share button later when I get home and if it fails provide the error for possible further troubleshooting.
     

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    Hi again

    Unfortunate. FTP is preferred in my opinion, and I know you can stream MP3s at the least via FTP. And no possibility to just download in the background while watching something in the foreground which is already cached?
    When you say "stream", do you mean "play as you download"? Why do you prefer FTP, and what software are you using to "stream" MP3s with? I don't use FTP for hosting my media so I have never come across the limitation you mentioned. I can try and look into it, although no guarantees...

    I had actually set the folders to be shared, but I hadn't clicked the "New Share" button. That might be the step I missed, though I did give it a proper name at the top of the dialog. XP x64 has a different share dialog and lets you set the name on the same page as enabling the sharing. I can't seem to find a picture of it right now though. I'll try it when I get home.
    Do the folders have the share icon overlay on them? I'll post some illustrated instructions myself if you aren't able to get it going. I've just arrived at work though so that will be some time away...

    No firewalls, it's strictly a computer to computer connection...
    I guess what I was asking is: have you disabled/configured the Windows inbuilt firewall (and any other firewall software installed on either of the machines)?
     

    Feynt

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    When you say "stream", do you mean "play as you download"? Why do you prefer FTP, and what software are you using to "stream" MP3s with? I don't use FTP for hosting my media so I have never come across the limitation you mentioned. I can try and look into it, although no guarantees...
    I use VLC to play my MP3s. Adding an address of an FTP server will allow it to play what it downloads. MP3s are made for streaming though, AVIs not so much. >)

    The FTP server I use is the Filezilla server, but I'm considering others to see if I can't simulate folders under a virtual root system. For instance adding folders to the server, but not setting any particular one as the home directory. Currently Filezilla requires one of the added directories to be chosen as the home or root folder, and that's a problem when I'm trying to host directories in my torrent folders. Rather than copying them elsewhere (space hogging) or moving them (then the torrents won't seed properly). And since I can't make links like I can in linux which would totally solve the problem, I'm stuck looking for something else.
    Do the folders have the share icon overlay on them? I'll post some illustrated instructions myself if you aren't able to get it going. I've just arrived at work though so that will be some time away...
    Indeed they do. I've done this file sharing before at my friend's house with his network and his computers. But that's his setup, not mine, so... Yeah.

    I'll try the New Share button though and see if it's any different.
    I guess what I was asking is: have you disabled/configured the Windows inbuilt firewall (and any other firewall software installed on either of the machines)?
    I don't believe in firewalls on computers. Leave that for the routers. Windows firewall is also a PitA so it's disabled as one of my first adjustments to any computer I own.



    Addendum:
    So I got home and tried to view stuff I had downloaded earlier, and I got "Remote File \ File is being downloaded"
    Now, this had downloaded, but it seems like I had to restart MP or something.

    Addendum 2:
    Confirmed, restarting MP updated the status of the stuff I had downloaded. For some reason it doesn't want to update that while MP is active. I'm sure I'm just not doing something though.
     

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