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<blockquote data-quote="peter448" data-source="post: 276636" data-attributes="member: 76642"><p>Hi. I've been doing some more testing and am starting to get a handle on this.</p><p></p><p>Firstly, filmerit said 0 errors.</p><p></p><p>risu' comment about VCP being the issue is likely right, but I'm not at the point where I know that for sure, mainly because I have limited knowledge of VCP...BTW this issue was also there for VCP 4.6.5, as well as 4.6.8 which I'm running now...and I wouldn't know which codec's I actually need.</p><p></p><p>PD I now know how to make this happen, including when it doesn't happen. I also found that it may take up 1-2 minutes before Vista does its 'scan', not just the 'up to 12 secs' I thought originally. It <u>isn't</u> a corrpt file issue.</p><p></p><p>1. Close down the Explorer window to the Recorded TV files.</p><p>2. In MP do some more recordings (length of time doesn't matter). When the recordings are finished (end of program or manual stop doesn't matter), exit MP and go to the folder again in Explorer. Chances are it will crash.</p><p></p><p>It appears to be related to 'new' recordings (at first I thought it was specifically HD recordings but that is not the case). Vista seems to detect there are new 'video' files in the folder and starts to scan them...to (as far as I can tell) generate the preview which is a special cache somewhere that holds the first few frames of the recording (googled this bit of info...I don't know if it is a specific number of frames, a percentage of the number of frames or a percentage of the file size). The strange thing is that even though it crashes it still generates the preview for one or more of the files it has to do 'before' it crashes (If this was just a Vista problem I don't think any part of the preview would save, so that's why I think its something in the codec) that if it has done (or thinks it has done) the preview for all the files in the folder it needs to it doesn't scan again, so you wont get a crash again. It also seems to pick up changes to existing files, not just new files, and re-scans those as well. You can tell if the preview is done for all of the files in the folder if they have the icon is the shot of the first frame in the recording, instead of the generic MPEG icon.</p><p></p><p>BTW the crash can also occur if you just highlight/select the Record TV folder without going ito it...Vista tried to be clever I guess by assuming if you highligh it you will likely want to go into the folder.</p><p></p><p>So I put a workaround in place until I get some more time to look more closely at VCP or uninstalling it and just doing the codecs I need.</p><p></p><p>1. Made sure I had no new recordings</p><p>2. Kept going into the folder until it didn't crash anymore ie. it though it had generated all the previews.</p><p>3. Went to the top of the folder itself.</p><p>a. Select Organise, Layout and of the 3 'Pane' options only selected 'Navigation'.</p><p>b. Right click on the folder and selected Properties - Customise and made sure 'What kind of folder do you want?' had 'All Items' selected as well as a tick in 'Also apply this template to all subfolder'.</p><p>4. Go into the folder iteslf and select 'Views' then either 'Details' or 'List'.</p><p></p><p>That's it. I have been able to replicate the fualt since I did those above settings, even with new recordings...time will tell if I've been successful. As I said its only a workaround. Obviously not as 'pretty', but then if I need to go to that folder to check on/delete orphaned recordings etc I don't need it to look good.</p><p></p><p>BTW if anyone can give more details on VCP and the issue it might be causing me please post.</p><p></p><p>I also don't have a clue to work out your comment about ffdshow..although I'd like to if you can provide more info.</p><p></p><p>Regards, Peter</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="peter448, post: 276636, member: 76642"] Hi. I've been doing some more testing and am starting to get a handle on this. Firstly, filmerit said 0 errors. risu' comment about VCP being the issue is likely right, but I'm not at the point where I know that for sure, mainly because I have limited knowledge of VCP...BTW this issue was also there for VCP 4.6.5, as well as 4.6.8 which I'm running now...and I wouldn't know which codec's I actually need. PD I now know how to make this happen, including when it doesn't happen. I also found that it may take up 1-2 minutes before Vista does its 'scan', not just the 'up to 12 secs' I thought originally. It [U]isn't[/U] a corrpt file issue. 1. Close down the Explorer window to the Recorded TV files. 2. In MP do some more recordings (length of time doesn't matter). When the recordings are finished (end of program or manual stop doesn't matter), exit MP and go to the folder again in Explorer. Chances are it will crash. It appears to be related to 'new' recordings (at first I thought it was specifically HD recordings but that is not the case). Vista seems to detect there are new 'video' files in the folder and starts to scan them...to (as far as I can tell) generate the preview which is a special cache somewhere that holds the first few frames of the recording (googled this bit of info...I don't know if it is a specific number of frames, a percentage of the number of frames or a percentage of the file size). The strange thing is that even though it crashes it still generates the preview for one or more of the files it has to do 'before' it crashes (If this was just a Vista problem I don't think any part of the preview would save, so that's why I think its something in the codec) that if it has done (or thinks it has done) the preview for all the files in the folder it needs to it doesn't scan again, so you wont get a crash again. It also seems to pick up changes to existing files, not just new files, and re-scans those as well. You can tell if the preview is done for all of the files in the folder if they have the icon is the shot of the first frame in the recording, instead of the generic MPEG icon. BTW the crash can also occur if you just highlight/select the Record TV folder without going ito it...Vista tried to be clever I guess by assuming if you highligh it you will likely want to go into the folder. So I put a workaround in place until I get some more time to look more closely at VCP or uninstalling it and just doing the codecs I need. 1. Made sure I had no new recordings 2. Kept going into the folder until it didn't crash anymore ie. it though it had generated all the previews. 3. Went to the top of the folder itself. a. Select Organise, Layout and of the 3 'Pane' options only selected 'Navigation'. b. Right click on the folder and selected Properties - Customise and made sure 'What kind of folder do you want?' had 'All Items' selected as well as a tick in 'Also apply this template to all subfolder'. 4. Go into the folder iteslf and select 'Views' then either 'Details' or 'List'. That's it. I have been able to replicate the fualt since I did those above settings, even with new recordings...time will tell if I've been successful. As I said its only a workaround. Obviously not as 'pretty', but then if I need to go to that folder to check on/delete orphaned recordings etc I don't need it to look good. BTW if anyone can give more details on VCP and the issue it might be causing me please post. I also don't have a clue to work out your comment about ffdshow..although I'd like to if you can provide more info. Regards, Peter [/QUOTE]
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