Best approach to map channels (1 Viewer)

[ijourneaux]

I'm trying to help but I feel like you don't believe me and if I'm honest, that really hurts.

:sorry: I would like to appologize totally. I had not intent to come across that way. I was trying to wrap my head around why this is a difficult thing to do in TVServer given my experience with BTV and Sage. I did believe you! Proof is that I am having difficulties with my setup in TVServer. The debater in me was advocating that there might have been a better way.

I won't say I understand TVServer but as you said

that is just not how TV Server works.

so I need to get with the program

Yep - as I've explained, you do seem to be misunderstanding how TV Server works. The flexibility of not tying tuning details to particular tuners allows you to do things like scan for the analog cable channels on one of the Adaptec tuners and then link them to the other tuner in 2 seconds without a rescan.

Although I have done this, I did not appreciate the implication.

for channel 600 WHRMDT on the HDHomeRun, SD renamed it to WHRMDT. I created a new 600 WRHMDT with the correct tuning information and associated it with the HDPVR.

That is not what my instructions suggested you do - my instructions were to create a new tuning detail *within* the channel that the HDHomeRun can tune.

:sorry: I will try that later this weekend.

On the "Combination tab" in TVServer, am I correct that when you select 2 or more channels you basicly "combines" the tuning details? Resulting in one channel with mutiple tuning details. Similar to the HDHomeRun channels where you recommended I add the tuning details for the HD-PVR manually? Just to clarify at this point I have done no combining as I did not understand exactly what that fuction was doing.

Right now in my guide, I have multiple channels that have the same guide information. For instance, 7 and 7 WSAW. 7 is the channel tunable by the Adaptec and 7 WSAW is tunable by the HD-PVR. I assume that if I combine them, I end up with one channel in the guide, either 7 or 7 WSAW, that can go to either tuner based on priority (order of the tuning details?).

I need to confirm that both channels got guide information. Things have been is such a state of flux that I might not be remembering correctly.



I hope you have a greate weekend

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I need to confirm that both channels got guide information. Things have been is such a state of flux that I might not be remembering correctly.

I am absolutely wrong.

Whereas i thought that SD had not created the channels in the HDPVR lineup that are available to the HDHomeRun, it also did not create the channels for the HDPVR for the channels that are available to the Adaptec tuner. I don't know how I missed that but I did. If I had noticed that earlier, I might not have caused you to have this long discussion.

I am going to review your earlier instructions on the procedures to use to get the channels in correctly. So in my configuration, I guess I am resigned to having to manually create tuning details forthe HD-PVR for channels at exist in either the Adaptec tuner or the HDHomeRun.

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Although I haven't completed adding the tuning details to all of the channels that I need to, I beleive I basically have my channels setup configured and based on the tests I made in the Manual control tab, I believe the channels where I have multiple tuning details work for either tuner. Now will that work in MP? When a channel has multiple tuning details which tuner is used to tune in a channel when MP request a channel? Based on the tuner priority?

A small comment. In the dialog where you enter the tuning details, it would be nice to have the tab navigate through all of the fields one after the other. Right now it only works inside each of the groups. When you are doing severl channels, having it tab that way would be more convienent.

 

[ijourneaux]

mm

I jsut started to dive into this again. Using the manual control, it seem that I can tune in the channels on the various tuners I have.

In rereading (and rereading) your comments I am trying to understand if I have an issue with channels that have two analog tuning details. In my case, it might not be an issue since the channel number is the same for all tuners but your comments seems to indicate that there might be problems if there are two analog tuning details.

Did I undertand you correctly?

 

[mm1352000]

Hi Ian

Did I undertand you correctly?

You did understand me correctly.

In my case, it might not be an issue since the channel number is the same for all tuners...

Okay, that's a bit surprising. Just to confirm: the channel number that you have to blast to the STB is the same as the physical channel number that the Adaptec tuners have to tune?

Even then remember that the crossbar video and audio source is not the same - the Adaptec tuners need the video source set to tuner and the HD-PVR needs it set to YRYBY #1.

You might be able to get away with one tuning detail for those analog cable channels.

Have you tried to see what happens when you tell the HD-PVR to switch to the tuner input or an Adaptec tuner to the YRYBY #1 input - that is the acid test. Make sure you restart the PC before performing the test so that the HD-PVR and Adaptec tuners have not previously been switched to the correct input. That will allow you to be 100% sure that the results will be reproducible.

A small comment. In the dialog where you enter the tuning details, it would be nice to have the tab navigate through all of the fields one after the other. Right now it only works inside each of the groups. When you are doing severl channels, having it tab that way would be more convienent.

I actually did that for all of the areas that I could find in TV Server configuration, including the tuning detail dialogs. For some reason, that analog one just didn't want to work. I couldn't figure out why but it might be to do with the groups.

mm

 

[ijourneaux]

Sorry to take so long to reply. Been working on a couple of other issues with my HTPC that weren't MediaPortal related

Okay, that's a bit surprising. Just to confirm: the channel number that you have to blast to the STB is the same as the physical channel number that the Adaptec tuners have to tune?

In my case, the wqay my cable supplier has it setup, the Adaptec tuner is cable of tuning channels 2-99 and these channesl can be tuned one for one by the HDPVR. The HD PVR is also capable of tuning channels over 100 several of these channels are HD version of the the lower numbered channels.

When I went to run the test that you proposed

Have you tried to see what happens when you tell the HD-PVR to switch to the tuner input or an Adaptec tuner to the YRYBY #1 input - that is the acid test. Make sure you restart the PC before performing the test so that the HD-PVR and Adaptec tuners have not previously been switched to the correct input. That will allow you to be 100% sure that the results will be reproducible.

I discovered that I was still having reliability problems between IRSS and EventGhost. Channel changing wasn't working at all. Does Media portal support using a separate program other than IRSS to change the channel on the STB?

Take Care.

 

[mm1352000]

Sorry to take so long to reply.

No problem.

In my case, the wqay my cable supplier has it setup, the Adaptec tuner is cable of tuning channels 2-99 and these channesl can be tuned one for one by the HDPVR. The HD PVR is also capable of tuning channels over 100 several of these channels are HD version of the the lower numbered channels.

Okay, well that may certainly work in your favour.

I discovered that I was still having reliability problems between IRSS and EventGhost. Channel changing wasn't working at all. Does Media portal support using a separate program other than IRSS to change the channel on the STB?

The TVE3 Blaster plugin from IRSS is it as far as I'm aware. Are you able to provide logs? I probably am not able to provide any insight, but I'm definitely curious.

Best regards,
mm

 

[ijourneaux]

It will be a while beofre I get to try again. as have a couple of business trips coming up. This last go around, I restarted the computer, restarted services. I could not get it to change channel. I will collect and post logs. Thought I was simplifying things by installing IRSS as a service but that might have be an issue when trying to use IRSS and Eventghost together. Something with USBUIRT sharing access when accessed by a service.

 

[ijourneaux]

mm

I am finally back to take an other stab at getting MediaPortal and TV Server setup on my HTPC. Lots of things have happened. Computer failure. Adaptec tuners were causing a hard drash on occasion so replaced with a hauppauge PVR-500 dual tuner. New HD-PVR. Business Travel etc. I hope that life has treated you well in that past several months.

I reread the thread and kicking off where I was. PVR-500 Analog tuner and HD-PVR use the same channel number for channels 2-99. HDPVR can tune 2-999 and HDHome Runs tune via QAM.

Hopefull things will go better this go around., Also installing IRSS as a program and not a service.