[WiP] madVR support in MP1 (5 Viewers)

[Kotik]

Alex i think i tild u already previously but maybe i didnt, i would go for a format and clean windows 10 installation.
And i am not talking about a windows restore, i mean wipe the whole disk (obviously take backup first) then install windows 10 and do not connect it to lan until u disable automatic updates and automatic driver installation.
After u have done this u can connect to lan and download only the NVidia drivers, LAV filters, madVR and MPC-HC.
Make sure u download the 32bit version of MPC-HC and LAV Filters.
This is what i would have done in order to be sure that my windows installation/drivers are not the ones to blame.
I know it sounds like a lot of work (especialy the backup part) but i can provide u with some windows 10 registry scripts that will block updates and drivers installation, this way u dont have to waste time searching the web for it.

 

[Sebastiii]

@Kotik this is a radical solution lol
But before a full reinstallation (if Alex want to go this way), i would like to test some bin directly
I will even made a fullbackup with Veeam Endpoint or what ever full backup tool, like this we can always restore the image of the current system if a fresh one does the same.

On my side, i don't want reinstall windows etc. so this why i prefer to try to solve without this lol.

 

[Kotik]

Yes it is radical, but sometimes the only way to be sure and pin point the issue.
I myself recently did it 2 times in a row because as u know my EVR render times were not flat.
Only after a full format i was sure that my installation is not the issue, so i could start looking elsewhere, this way i found out that my issue was a BIOS setting regarding Intel SpeedStep.
Who knows, if i didnt format maybe i would still sit here looking for the issue in windows.
In any case this is my personal opinion, after 20 different driver setups i would go for a format. I dont trust windows. The only way to make sure u are OK with ur setup is a clean installation.
Ofc u can pin point the issue without a format, but looking at the symptoms i think it will take more time than a format.
And yes i agree, backup is crucial.

 

[alexdepalma]

I agree you both.
That's a terrible solution, a lot of hard work to make everything to work again as it should.
I have an old hard drive and maybe ill test there a full install of windows and MP, madvr, lava....

but in the past my experience showed it is not worthy.

Any how, mouse move is not a problem for me. I use my pc as full HTPC. Don't use my Sat provider receiver, neither my IPTV provider, receiver.TV is exclusively manage by MP. music, YouTube... everything. Even domotics in the past. Always with remote. Mouse and kb only minor use for driver updates or so.
Mouse problem doesn't disturb my viewing. If 3D start properly, ill happy. Obviously we have to make MP madvr version, bullet Prof.
When you try to many things and combinations, and is obvious, all you guys like , finally we found one to meet our needs. But regular humans aren't like this. We must find ways MP madvr doesn't work, and Seb a solution for all setups.
For me LAV on CUDA and MADVR on exclusive is rock solid (but I'm not happy with exclusive prefer windowed)
Intel hd4000 was pretty stable already.
NVIDIA isn't. But close.

I'll be thinking about your All reset @Kotik
I'll be happy to test your bins @Sebastiii

Tomorrow afternoon, will be ready for intensive test

 

[alexdepalma]

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[Kotik]

@alexdepalma if u have a 2nd empty hdd then this is perfect.

If u decide to go ahead then make sure u unplug ur current disk and instead use the 2nd one in its place.

Setup windows 10 on it and test it.

Make sure 2nd disk doesnt contain any data that u need and then proceed. This way ur current installation will remain safe and u can switch back to it in a matter of 1 minute.

At this point it all comes down to curiosity cause if on ur 2nd disk/fresh installation mouse doesnt break 3D then bingo!!! You will at least know it is something wrong with ur current setup.

But like u said, its a lot of work for just "curiosity". It is up to u.

 

[joecrow]

Make sure u download the 32bit version of MPC-HC and LAV Filters.

Just curious as to why you suggest the 32 bit versions vs x64 given that alexpalma has 64 bit Windows?

 

[Kotik]

Unless i am too old and my memory is mistaken but i think a 32bit Direct Show application can only build a graph using 32bit .ax filters.

So MP, as a 32bit app, will use the 32bit version of LAV Filters and will not use any 64 bit direct show filters.

So if i am right then the best way of troubleshooting MP issues outside of MP, is using exactly the same BIT version of .ax filters that MP itself would use.

I could be wrong.

But i think someone else could confirm.

 

[joecrow]

I'm sure you are correct ref. MP but as far as I'm aware the LAV install package includes both x86 and x64 filters. I have no idea which version of external LAV filters are used in the 64 bit version of MPC-HC but it certainly works (also for 3D). I always was advised to chose a version of an app that matches the OS when available, but yes for troubleshooting purposes I agree the 32 bit version to match MP is preferable.

 

[Kotik]

In the 64bit version of MPC-HC 64bit version of LAV Filters are used (if present in the system, otherwise MPC - HC will use its internal filters which are 64bit).

U are correct LAV installer includes both but the user can choose to install both versions of just one of them, the reason i suggested specifically 32bit is because users will install only 64bit thinking that their OS is 64bit so they try to match, but then LAV is never used in MP, with EVR it was easy to spot the issue cause EVR has codec in use info (SHIFT + 1), with madVR it is harder cause madVR wont show which codecs are in use so u either have to activate Tray Icon in LAV Filters and look if it pops to be sure that it is being used or u have to use GraphStudio.

In any case since MP will use the 32bit then for troubleshooting we should also use 32bit externally, so both MPC - HC and LAV Filters.

For normal use it doesn't really matter, actually 64bit are slightly faster or at least they are supposed to be

PS: If 32bit LAV Filters are not present then in MP Configuration u cannot select LAV at all.