MP2 TV-Configuration does not keep sorted Channels in new Group (1 Viewer)

[mx-5driver]

Hi Folks,

I need some help with fixing the Problem that MP2 doesn't keep the sorted Order of Channels in TV-Configuraiton.
I am using MP2 .NET 4 Version, with TVE3.5 since the .NET6 Version is too buggy for being used as a daily Driver.

What I did (and I guess that was totally correct) is as follows:

I created new Groups - e.g. named Favorites or Senderliste.
Added and sorted Channels there, but as soon as I open MP2 the List of Channels is mixed up, not at all considering the Order of Channels I sorted in TV-Configuration before.

Any Idea what is causing this ?
Is thia a general known Bug ?
Can I fix that somehow ?

Please advise

Thanks & kind Regards

 

[CyberSimian]

I am using MP2 .NET 4 Version, with TVE3.5

TVE3.5 is not recommended; it should be regarded as an "experimental" release, as it has some problems.

The TV Server to use is TVE3 (the oldest one), as this should work correctly. Run the MP2 installer again and choose TVE3 as the TV Server to install. The MP2 installer will uninstall TVE3.5 and then install TVE3.

MP2 doesn't keep the sorted Order of Channels in TV-Configuration

In my use of TVE3 (on MP1), I have never had a problem with the sorting of channels within groups. If you still have a problem after installing TVE3, post again.

-- from CyberSimian in the UK

 

[mx-5driver]

@CyberSimian
Are you seriously advising to downgrade to MP1 ?
I think that's not a serious Recommendation at all and it neither does address the initial Question about MP2 !?

In Fact I was using MP2 on TVE3 on the previous HTPC-Machine but beside of that Channel-Order Issue TVE3.5 performs much better and I am not planning to downgrade the TVE just because of that Channel-Sorting Problem either.
If TVE3.5 is kind of Beta Status, why the Heck is that not mentioned anywhere - neither on the Download-Page nor in the Setup-Dialog ?
Basically the same applies to the .NET 6 Variant - I also gave that a Try to see whether it was getting more stable since last Time I tried.

I think one of the Experts around here, should be able to tell if this Issue is a known Bug in TVE3.5 and whether it's going to be fixed soon ?
If certain Versions provided for Download are still not stable enough for a productive Installation as a daily Driver, these Versions should be clearly marked as Beta or Experimental !
Neither a Beta- or an Experimental-Hint can be found on the Download-Secion for MP2.

 

[ajs]

Are you seriously advising to downgrade to MP1 ?

It's hard to call it a downgrade, MP1 and MP2 are parallel products, and in my opinion, MP1 is more functional, but many people like MP2 more in terms of functionality.

 

[CyberSimian]

Are you seriously advising to downgrade to MP1 ?

No, I was not suggesting that. I was suggesting that you use TVE3 with MP2. Sorry if I did not make that clear.

If TVE3.5 is kind of Beta Status, why the Heck is that not mentioned anywhere

The MP2 team is separate from the MP1 team. As a member of the MP1 team, I don't know why the MP2 team made the decisions that they did. Presumably they thought that TVE3.5 was usable, and not experimental.

I think one of the Experts around here, should be able to tell if this Issue is a known Bug in TVE3.5 and whether it's going to be fixed soon ?

Sadly, development of MP2 seems to have stopped, and I have not seen any member of the MP2 team active on this web site for several weeks. So I regret to say that currently there is no one who can tell you whether this is a known bug in MP2, and in addition I don't think that it will be fixed anytime soon.

-- from CyberSimian in the UK

 

[joecrow]

Added and sorted Channels there, but as soon as I open MP2 the List of Channels is mixed up, not at all considering the Order of Channels I sorted in TV-Configuration before.

When I was playing and testing MP-2 some while back I have a vague memory of running into the same or similar problem. I would have been using either TV3 or TV Mosaic. I believe it was fixable but very sorry I can't remember how, (something in the settings?????).

 

[mx-5driver]

No, I was not suggesting that. I was suggesting that you use TVE3 with MP2. Sorry if I did not make that clear.


The MP2 team is separate from the MP1 team. As a member of the MP1 team, I don't know why the MP2 team made the decisions that they did. Presumably they thought that TVE3.5 was usable, and not experimental.


Sadly, development of MP2 seems to have stopped, and I have not seen any member of the MP2 team active on this web site for several weeks. So I regret to say that currently there is no one who can tell you whether this is a known bug in MP2, and in addition I don't think that it will be fixed anytime soon.

-- from CyberSimian in the UK

Ok, thanks for clarifying - at first I was a bit confused on how to understand your response

 

[mx-5driver]

@CyberSimian
First many Thanks to shed some Light onto what's going on here.
Although you're a Member of the MP1 Team that was a fine move of yours to respond to my Question.
However it was quite vague though - not sure if that was all you can tell or you just didn't want to tell more ?


WHAT ???

Development of MP2 has seems to have stopped ???
Is that really true ???
Why ???

What the Heck is going on here on this great Project ?

If the MP2 Team got quarreled, divided or whatsoever the very least Thing to do should be communicting to the User-Base.
Complete Silence, not one Word or anything at all is not acceptable though.


I am using MP2 since several Years and I was rather shocked when I was reading the Response to my Forum-Thread.


Kind Regards from Germany

 

[CyberSimian]

Development of MP2 has seems to have stopped ??? Is that really true ???

It seems to be true for the present. Development of MP2 may restart in the future, but no one other than the MP2 developers know when that might be. As far as I know, there were no disagreements amongst the MP2 developers; it is simply that the demands of real life had to take precedence, leaving little or no time to devote to MP2.

Both MP1 and MP2 are open source volunteer projects. As such, they will never provide the level of support that paid-for products can provide. In addition, developers work on the parts of the product that interest them, and don't work on the parts of the product that don't interest them. This can result in patchy support, but this is inevitable in a volunteer project. Choosing to use an open-source product means accepting these aspects of product support.

MP2 is not going to disappear from the internet, but for the moment it will not progress. You can continue to use it until it no longer satisfies your needs, but you will have to accept that bugs and functional limitations will remain as they are for the foreseeable future.

-- from CyberSimian in the UK

 

[mx-5driver]

Well, thanks for your nice & honest Explanations - really appreciate that.
Of Course a Volunteer Project like this never has the same Level of Support like a paid Product does.
I certainly understand that.

However in Case real Life hits the Developers resulting into the Fact that they may not be able to spend Time for the Project anymore at all or even just for a longer Period of Time. the very least Thing to do - even on a Volunteer Project - would be to leave some kind of "a clean Desk", right ?

I mean I understand that real Life and Family etc. is certainly more important, than such a Project - thats totally understandable and certainly ok.
However in such Circumstances it should be possible and a Matter of Decency to post at least a short Note on the Project Homepage.

Leaving Users alone with absolutely no Info, just Uncertainity and some Rumours in Fact wasn't a nice Move of them at all.


Kind Regards