Simple Upgrade to HDTV? (2 Viewers)

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    OK, I think I've learned an important lesson - Always listen to Paranoid Delusion. Not the ones in my head, the helpful SuperModerator.

    Upthread PD suggested that my money would be better spent on a new MoBo with integrated hd graphics. I sort of blew that off :oops: because I want to do this on the cheap and save money for a major overhaul down the road.

    Well... As I've been pricing PCI cards, I noticed that it is in fact possible to get a decent MoBo, and CPU for not much more than a PCI gfx card capable of HD. I honestly had no idea that MoBo and CPU could be so cheap. Especially considering that the PCI bus can only perform so fast, it makes sense to move to integrated or PCI-e graphics if the price is similar.

    So now I'm leaning toward the solution that PD mentioned in the second post. BUT I still can't afford a complete overhaul and I do want to move to a nicer case, quieter system, better audio performance, etc sometime in the future. So I want to be sure that any motherboard and processor I buy now is "futureproof" so that I don't have to replace them again in another year.

    What I'm trying to figure out is what the future of HTPC and MP looks like. Who out there has a crystal ball? I had always imagined that in another year or so I'd move to a heavy duty quad core in a board capable of huge amounts of RAM and expansion so that future upgrades would be simple. My current HTPC was built with extreme budget in mind so I bought the clearance rack processor and board and now I'm paying for it. Don't want to make that mistake again.

    I can't currently afford that super-duty processor, so I wonder if there is really going to be any need for it. Particularly will MediaPortal 2 require quad core, extreme power, huge memory, or other major upgrades? Are there new media standards on the horizon that will make me wish I had that power? Or will a 2Ghz dual core cover anything in the foreseable future?

    What I'm considering right now is this motherboard with integrated GeForce 9300 and a Dual Core 2Ghz Celeron. Altogether, I can put this in my current case and components for about twice what I was planning to spend on a PCI graphics card and get better overall performance plus some expandability. Here's what I'm looking at: XFX MI93007AS9 nVidia GeForce 9300 Core 2 Quad/Core 2 Extreme/Core 2 Duo/Pentium D/Pentium Extreme at ZipZoomfly

    On the other hand drealit describes a system in this thread https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/hardware-selection-help-62/htpc-build-advice-55110/#post380969 that does not have integrated gfx, but can take a new PCI-e card (much cheaper than PCI) and have the same result for a few bucks less than the integrated solution.

    Both of these are attractive options right now. They are a little more than I was planning to spend and quite a bit more hassle, but if they get me started on a new system that will not need major upgrade in the foreseeable future, I'm likely to spring for it.

    I'd appreciate any last thoughts on this, particularly the future-proof issue. Any reason to need more processing power?

    And of course, let this be a lesson. When a SuperMod offers you advice, take it.
     

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    What I'm trying to figure out is what the future of HTPC and MP looks like. Who out there has a crystal ball?

    VHS lasted about 13 years. DVD lasted about 8-10 years (which assumes its good for 1-2 more). Blu ray has to be good for 5 or more doesnt it?

    hopefully nothing over 1080 in the near future but who knows?
     

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    Funny enough, right after I read your post about tech lifespans, I saw this:

    3D TV: Television with a new dimension - Telegraph

    I doubt 3dtv is really going to be mainstream soon and there isn't any indication how much more computer power will be required to display it. But it may be the next spectre on the home theater horizon.
     

    abeule

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    Is there any special reason why it has to be Intel?

    This (my) gear works as well:

    GigaByte GA-MA790GP-DS4H
    AMD Athlon X2 4850e

    it has an onboard HDMI port and with 2 or even 4 Gig of RAM there are no problems to run HD-DVD in 1920x1080p

    According to Gigabyte, it will work with Phenom-II with an actual BIOS.
     

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    No reason at all that it has to be Intel, just habit and laziness. My laptop is an AMD and I'm very pleased, but I keep coming back to Intel for desktop use.

    It's actually too late now, I ordered an Asus socket 775 board with integrated GeForce9300 and a 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo this morning. I'll post a new thread in the ongoing projects forum once I get it.

    I didn't do enough research to know how the different product lines for ATI and NVidia compare, but I found a very good deal on the processor and reviews saying this MoBo runs very cool so I jumped on it.

    Thanks for the suggestion though!
     

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    for HDTV you need a good deinterlacer (in Europe HDTV is mainly 1080i), otherwise you will be not satisfied with your pic quality. Do you have any information about the deinterlacing abilities of the GeForcce 9300 with a Core2Duo?

    People tend to think that 1080p is the biggest challenge to the system. They are wrong. 1080i is! Dont underestimate this!

    I have a HD3200/Phenom system and it works very well with 1080i. But I had to upgrade my AMD Athlon X2 to a Phenom for this. I fear that an onboard GeForce 9300 without dedicated memory (with shared) will be not enough for proper deinterlacing.
     

    abeule

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    for HDTV you need a good deinterlacer (in Europe HDTV is mainly 1080i), otherwise you will be not satisfied with your pic quality. Do you have any information about the deinterlacing abilities of the GeForcce 9300 with a Core2Duo?

    People tend to think that 1080p is the biggest challenge to the system. They are wrong. 1080i is! Dont underestimate this!

    I have a HD3200/Phenom system and it works very well with 1080i. But I had to upgrade my AMD Athlon X2 to a Phenom for this. I fear that an onboard GeForce 9300 without dedicated memory (with shared) will be not enough for proper deinterlacing.

    The only 1080i i can get is AnixeHD. Until they moved there was no problem with the 1080i and the AMD 4850/Gigabyte combo i am using. Now neither - as long as one can scan the frelling Transponder with Mediaportal (which does not work with a second MP-computer i set up but updated before finagling in the new position of AnixeHD).
     

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    there was no problem with the 1080i and the AMD 4850/Gigabyte combo i am using.

    yes, 1080i is running on X2/HD3200 but runs MUCH nicer on Phenom/HD3200. This is well-known fact, confirmed by several tests and reviews. I already have my X2->Phenom upgrade behind me and the difference is visible.

    AnixeHD broadcasts mainly "fake interlaced" material (2 half pictures after each other are same) of upscaled SD-Films and that´s why difference is not visible. But if you watch football or any live material or reports (=TV not movies) you would see the difference. Try the zdf FestivalHD on Astra! Or the Astra Demo channel. There are some real interlaced 1080i stuff.
     

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    It's actually too late now, I ordered an Asus socket 775 board with integrated GeForce9300 and a 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo this morning. I'll post a new thread in the ongoing projects forum once I get it.

    Think I would treat myself to the CoreAVC codec, just to take advantage of CUDA support :)
     

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