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<blockquote data-quote="mm1352000" data-source="post: 1173678" data-attributes="member: 82144"><p>Thanks Wayne - now we're going to get somewhere! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>First let's tackle the single transponder scan pictures and result...</p><p>I note that Lyngsat does not list the specific transponder you're scanning. I'm going to assume that SatHint is right and the transponder does in fact exist with the parameters that they list.</p><p>My guess is that the problem in this particular case was that the frequency you specified is incorrect. You specified 3726 <strong>kHz</strong>, when it should have been <strong>3726000 </strong>kHz (which is equivalent to 3726 <strong>MHz</strong>). In other words: you're confusing the unit (kHz and MHz).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now for the full scan...</p><p>Aside from the first transponder (3710 V), I don't see any problems with TV Server locking on signal or finding C-band channels. However I do see two problems which will lead to channels being saved with incorrect tuning parameters.</p><p></p><p><strong>Problem 1</strong></p><p>This problem comes from the fact that the satellite has both Ku <strong>and </strong>C band transponders but you can only set either a Ku <strong>or </strong>C band LNB type ("band") setting. In technical terms, when TV Server scans Ku channels with the C band setting, the intermediate frequency (transponder frequency minus LNB LOF) calculated by the driver will be invalid. Therefore the tuner will ignore the tune request. The end result is that TV Server will "re-find" the channels from the previously scanned C band transponder. For example...</p><p></p><p>[collapse]Scanning the last C band transponder:</p><p>[2016-01-29 21:45:12,802] [Log ] [34 ] [INFO ] - dvbs: Scan<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />VBS:tv: Freq:3974000 ONID:-1 TSID:-1 SID:-1 PMT:0xFFFFFFFF FTA:False LCN:10000 SymbolRate:5924 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet</p><p>[2016-01-29 21:45:18,445] [Log ] [34 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:WEIGEL CHICAGO NOC MEtv1 Freq:3974000 ONID:1 TSID:0 SID:1 PMT:0x165 FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:5924 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet</p><p>[2016-01-29 21:45:18,445] [Log ] [34 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:WEIGEL CHICAGO NOC MEtv2 Freq:3974000 ONID:1 TSID:0 SID:2 PMT:0x1C9 FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:5924 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet</p><p></p><p>...then the same channels are found for the next Ku band transponder:</p><p>[2016-01-29 21:45:18,715] [Log ] [36 ] [INFO ] - dvbs: Scan<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />VBS:tv: Freq:11705000 ONID:-1 TSID:-1 SID:-1 PMT:0xFFFFFFFF FTA:False LCN:10000 SymbolRate:3650 Modulation:ModQpsk Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate3_4 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:Off RollOff:ThirtyFive</p><p>[2016-01-29 21:45:23,977] [Log ] [36 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:WEIGEL CHICAGO NOC MEtv1 Freq:<strong>11705000</strong> ONID:1 TSID:0 SID:1 PMT:0x165 FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:3650 Modulation:ModQpsk Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate3_4 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:Off RollOff:ThirtyFive</p><p>[2016-01-29 21:45:23,978] [Log ] [36 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:WEIGEL CHICAGO NOC MEtv2 Freq:<strong>11705000</strong> ONID:1 TSID:0 SID:2 PMT:0x1C9 FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:3650 Modulation:ModQpsk Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate3_4 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:Off RollOff:ThirtyFive[/collapse]</p><p></p><p>This problem will result in the following channels on that satellite being saved with the wrong parameters:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">MEtv1</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">MEtv2</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">CBC HD</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">WWOR HD</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">FOX HD</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">CTV HD</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">WPIX HD</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">WGN HD</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">GVTV HD</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">GVMV HD</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">GVV HD</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">GVX HD</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">CITY</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">TV Ontario</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">BOUNCE</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">KTLA</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">PBS</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">PBS World</li> </ul><p>(Note: I guess you only care about MEtv1 and MEtv2 because the others are all encrypted.)</p><p></p><p>You've obviously noticed this because I can see you trying unsuccessfully to tune MEtv2 immediately after the scan completes.</p><p></p><p>The simplest way to avoid this problem would be to create separate C and Ku band tuning parameter files for the satellites you receive. I can supply these files if you tell me which satellites you receive... or you can do it yourself by editing the tuning parameter files directly. Let me know which you prefer.</p><p></p><p>Doing it yourself is not a hard task. The tuning parameter files are simple XML (structured text files). You can find the files in "c:\<strong>ProgramData</strong>\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\TuningParameters". Note that Windows hides ProgramData by default. The simplest way to get there is simply to copy + paste the folder/path into the address bar in Windows Explorer. Satellite tuning details are within the "dvbs" sub-directory. You can open and edit the files in any text editor (notepad, wordpad etc.). The format should be fairly self explanatory, but don't hesitate to ask if you have questions.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Problem 2</strong></p><p>Some of the channels you're receiving have the same identifiers. In particular this affects... (surprise!) Heroes and Decades. Note the identical ONID, TSID and SID values:</p><p>[2016-01-29 21:44:46,422] [Log ] [36 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:Weigel NOC Heroes Freq:3953000 <strong>ONID:1 TSID:1 SID:1</strong> PMT:0x101 FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:2734 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet</p><p>[2016-01-29 21:44:52,150] [Log ] [48 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:Weigel Chicago NOC Decades Freq:3957000 <strong>ONID:1 TSID:1 SID:1</strong> PMT:0x22D FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:2734 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet</p><p></p><p>As a result, TV Server thinks these channels are one and the same. Obviously they're not, but TV Server can't tell that due to the way the broadcaster has chosen to label/identify them.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately the only solution to this problem is to create/edit the channels manually. Thankfully there are only 2 of them, though I guess you may have more on other satellites.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mm1352000, post: 1173678, member: 82144"] Thanks Wayne - now we're going to get somewhere! :) First let's tackle the single transponder scan pictures and result... I note that Lyngsat does not list the specific transponder you're scanning. I'm going to assume that SatHint is right and the transponder does in fact exist with the parameters that they list. My guess is that the problem in this particular case was that the frequency you specified is incorrect. You specified 3726 [B]kHz[/B], when it should have been [B]3726000 [/B]kHz (which is equivalent to 3726 [B]MHz[/B]). In other words: you're confusing the unit (kHz and MHz). Now for the full scan... Aside from the first transponder (3710 V), I don't see any problems with TV Server locking on signal or finding C-band channels. However I do see two problems which will lead to channels being saved with incorrect tuning parameters. [B]Problem 1[/B] This problem comes from the fact that the satellite has both Ku [B]and [/B]C band transponders but you can only set either a Ku [B]or [/B]C band LNB type ("band") setting. In technical terms, when TV Server scans Ku channels with the C band setting, the intermediate frequency (transponder frequency minus LNB LOF) calculated by the driver will be invalid. Therefore the tuner will ignore the tune request. The end result is that TV Server will "re-find" the channels from the previously scanned C band transponder. For example... [collapse]Scanning the last C band transponder: [2016-01-29 21:45:12,802] [Log ] [34 ] [INFO ] - dvbs: Scan:DVBS:tv: Freq:3974000 ONID:-1 TSID:-1 SID:-1 PMT:0xFFFFFFFF FTA:False LCN:10000 SymbolRate:5924 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet [2016-01-29 21:45:18,445] [Log ] [34 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:WEIGEL CHICAGO NOC MEtv1 Freq:3974000 ONID:1 TSID:0 SID:1 PMT:0x165 FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:5924 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet [2016-01-29 21:45:18,445] [Log ] [34 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:WEIGEL CHICAGO NOC MEtv2 Freq:3974000 ONID:1 TSID:0 SID:2 PMT:0x1C9 FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:5924 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet ...then the same channels are found for the next Ku band transponder: [2016-01-29 21:45:18,715] [Log ] [36 ] [INFO ] - dvbs: Scan:DVBS:tv: Freq:11705000 ONID:-1 TSID:-1 SID:-1 PMT:0xFFFFFFFF FTA:False LCN:10000 SymbolRate:3650 Modulation:ModQpsk Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate3_4 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:Off RollOff:ThirtyFive [2016-01-29 21:45:23,977] [Log ] [36 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:WEIGEL CHICAGO NOC MEtv1 Freq:[B]11705000[/B] ONID:1 TSID:0 SID:1 PMT:0x165 FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:3650 Modulation:ModQpsk Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate3_4 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:Off RollOff:ThirtyFive [2016-01-29 21:45:23,978] [Log ] [36 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:WEIGEL CHICAGO NOC MEtv2 Freq:[B]11705000[/B] ONID:1 TSID:0 SID:2 PMT:0x1C9 FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:3650 Modulation:ModQpsk Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate3_4 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:Off RollOff:ThirtyFive[/collapse] This problem will result in the following channels on that satellite being saved with the wrong parameters: [LIST] [*]MEtv1 [*]MEtv2 [*]CBC HD [*]WWOR HD [*]FOX HD [*]CTV HD [*]WPIX HD [*]WGN HD [*]GVTV HD [*]GVMV HD [*]GVV HD [*]GVX HD [*]CITY [*]TV Ontario [*]BOUNCE [*]KTLA [*]PBS [*]PBS World [/LIST] (Note: I guess you only care about MEtv1 and MEtv2 because the others are all encrypted.) You've obviously noticed this because I can see you trying unsuccessfully to tune MEtv2 immediately after the scan completes. The simplest way to avoid this problem would be to create separate C and Ku band tuning parameter files for the satellites you receive. I can supply these files if you tell me which satellites you receive... or you can do it yourself by editing the tuning parameter files directly. Let me know which you prefer. Doing it yourself is not a hard task. The tuning parameter files are simple XML (structured text files). You can find the files in "c:\[B]ProgramData[/B]\Team MediaPortal\MediaPortal TV Server\TuningParameters". Note that Windows hides ProgramData by default. The simplest way to get there is simply to copy + paste the folder/path into the address bar in Windows Explorer. Satellite tuning details are within the "dvbs" sub-directory. You can open and edit the files in any text editor (notepad, wordpad etc.). The format should be fairly self explanatory, but don't hesitate to ask if you have questions. [B]Problem 2[/B] Some of the channels you're receiving have the same identifiers. In particular this affects... (surprise!) Heroes and Decades. Note the identical ONID, TSID and SID values: [2016-01-29 21:44:46,422] [Log ] [36 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:Weigel NOC Heroes Freq:3953000 [B]ONID:1 TSID:1 SID:1[/B] PMT:0x101 FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:2734 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet [2016-01-29 21:44:52,150] [Log ] [48 ] [INFO ] - Found: DVBS:tv:Weigel Chicago NOC Decades Freq:3957000 [B]ONID:1 TSID:1 SID:1[/B] PMT:0x22D FTA:True LCN:10000 SymbolRate:2734 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearV InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BA band:CBand Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet As a result, TV Server thinks these channels are one and the same. Obviously they're not, but TV Server can't tell that due to the way the broadcaster has chosen to label/identify them. Unfortunately the only solution to this problem is to create/edit the channels manually. Thankfully there are only 2 of them, though I guess you may have more on other satellites. [/QUOTE]
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