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<blockquote data-quote="bounguine" data-source="post: 331517" data-attributes="member: 16098"><p>I didn’t mean to show disrespect to the team.</p><p>Actually, they’ve made many great things spending a lot of effort.</p><p></p><p>I was just wondering how people could spend so much time and miss the most important things.</p><p></p><p>If you start a project, you always take care of:</p><p>1) the main purpose of the project,</p><p>2) functionality of the SW,</p><p>3) the SW to be user-friendly,</p><p>4) stability of the SW.</p><p></p><p>What I see now:</p><p>1) Purpose</p><p>TVServer is to let people watch TV. That’s the main purpose.</p><p>Is signal’s quality a part of watching? Yes. And the most important, I guess.</p><p>TVServer can’t lock the tuner when the signal is weak. </p><p>TVServer has a “bad” level of sensitivity, while picture is stable in other apps.</p><p>Why? Simple DVB-apps use the same drivers.</p><p>Dows that mean that their authors cared much about it?</p><p>I posted another thread describing the issue when TVServer can’t lock the tuner and tune to the very first channel after starting up.</p><p>Does anyone know any other DVB-SW doing the same? I doubt.</p><p>For me, these are the things to be the first in the list.</p><p></p><p>2) Functionality</p><p>I can wait for some extra-features (like more than 4 LNBs, combining static LNBs with a motor and using more than 1 LNB on the motor), but I can’t say that TVServer has the functions it is supposed to have (see p. 1).</p><p>I understand that it’s yet under construction, but too much time I’ve been waiting. </p><p>Why other authors succeeded in making stable versions, which make it possible to forget about p. 1?</p><p></p><p>3) User-friendly</p><p>MP is a piece of SW for HTPC. That means that a user uses a remote control.</p><p>On any exception I have to close the GUI and to open “services” panel and restart TVService.</p><p>All using my keyboard.</p><p>Or to restart drivers using 3rd part utilities.</p><p>That’s user-friendly, of course.</p><p>I can use something like nnCron to make the same.</p><p>Why not make it in MP?</p><p>I agree with IkeV70 that SW should treat exceptions by itself.</p><p>Crashing TVServer (not only because of weak signal), crashing DVB-drivers (signal level “0” isn’t the only case, as I had the same issue in different situations), restarting DVB-driver on resuming (very old issue) can be done by TVServer.</p><p>Only making logs is helpful, as a programmer can fix the bug, but also treating exceptions as soon as they occur on the client’s side is more helpful.</p><p></p><p>Another bad thing is that I’m always dependant on many other things that are not a part of MP.</p><p>When I used DVB-apps I didn’t care much about system-administrating, DB-problems and so on.</p><p>Now I can sometimes see “connection to the TVServer lost” or “can’t connect to the DB”.</p><p>Too much for a stupid user.</p><p>Again a good reason to close the GUI and to start “Services” by myself.</p><p>Another pain in the mass last days – using MS SQL.</p><p>Is it really so necessary to use such bulky DB that eats my RAM and causes many troubles?</p><p>I spent last three days reading MS SQL forums, because “sa” login was rejected by MS SQL after PC starts up.</p><p>Actually TVServer tried to login before MS SQL started.</p><p>I checked DNS in my home network, put 1433 port in the registry and so on and so forth.</p><p>Again and again this is not the only case of troubles with MS SQL.</p><p></p><p>4) Stability</p><p>Nice topic!</p><p>Too much to tell, even many things are in p.p. 1-3.</p><p>What can I say more, if TVServer crashes DVB-drivers?</p><p>Nice indeed.</p><p>Believe me, I have at least one issue per day.</p><p></p><p>I’d better stop, because I haven’t read error.log since yesterday. </p><p>I really miss doing that : )</p><p></p><p>OK, guys, I don’t try to abuse anyone.</p><p>I’m positive and I’m not going to change SW.</p><p></p><p>I just still wonder – how long will it last?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks, Friend.</p><p></p><p>I know that SS2's BDA are bad (no diseqc support in MP - only in DVBViewer).</p><p>I'm using WDM, which work good in MP.</p><p></p><p>If it's a drivers issue (although I didn't see drivers crash in other apps), I can wait for the update from the manufacturer.</p><p></p><p>What I meant - an exception handler is needed.</p><p>Not only for the driver's issue, but for DB-issues and so on.</p><p></p><p>If I can help in testing, I will.</p><p></p><p>Moreover, I re-installed OS the day before yesterday and spend every evening reading logs after my family goes to bed.</p><p></p><p>I'll also try to buy another DVB-card, as noew I have more than one cable from my aerials.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, the card is not from the list (peolple say it works in MP).</p><p>Many cards from the Wiki will cost me more than 400 euros (tickets to Europe and backwards), as they aren't solved in Russia.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bounguine, post: 331517, member: 16098"] I didn’t mean to show disrespect to the team. Actually, they’ve made many great things spending a lot of effort. I was just wondering how people could spend so much time and miss the most important things. If you start a project, you always take care of: 1) the main purpose of the project, 2) functionality of the SW, 3) the SW to be user-friendly, 4) stability of the SW. What I see now: 1) Purpose TVServer is to let people watch TV. That’s the main purpose. Is signal’s quality a part of watching? Yes. And the most important, I guess. TVServer can’t lock the tuner when the signal is weak. TVServer has a “bad” level of sensitivity, while picture is stable in other apps. Why? Simple DVB-apps use the same drivers. Dows that mean that their authors cared much about it? I posted another thread describing the issue when TVServer can’t lock the tuner and tune to the very first channel after starting up. Does anyone know any other DVB-SW doing the same? I doubt. For me, these are the things to be the first in the list. 2) Functionality I can wait for some extra-features (like more than 4 LNBs, combining static LNBs with a motor and using more than 1 LNB on the motor), but I can’t say that TVServer has the functions it is supposed to have (see p. 1). I understand that it’s yet under construction, but too much time I’ve been waiting. Why other authors succeeded in making stable versions, which make it possible to forget about p. 1? 3) User-friendly MP is a piece of SW for HTPC. That means that a user uses a remote control. On any exception I have to close the GUI and to open “services” panel and restart TVService. All using my keyboard. Or to restart drivers using 3rd part utilities. That’s user-friendly, of course. I can use something like nnCron to make the same. Why not make it in MP? I agree with IkeV70 that SW should treat exceptions by itself. Crashing TVServer (not only because of weak signal), crashing DVB-drivers (signal level “0” isn’t the only case, as I had the same issue in different situations), restarting DVB-driver on resuming (very old issue) can be done by TVServer. Only making logs is helpful, as a programmer can fix the bug, but also treating exceptions as soon as they occur on the client’s side is more helpful. Another bad thing is that I’m always dependant on many other things that are not a part of MP. When I used DVB-apps I didn’t care much about system-administrating, DB-problems and so on. Now I can sometimes see “connection to the TVServer lost” or “can’t connect to the DB”. Too much for a stupid user. Again a good reason to close the GUI and to start “Services” by myself. Another pain in the mass last days – using MS SQL. Is it really so necessary to use such bulky DB that eats my RAM and causes many troubles? I spent last three days reading MS SQL forums, because “sa” login was rejected by MS SQL after PC starts up. Actually TVServer tried to login before MS SQL started. I checked DNS in my home network, put 1433 port in the registry and so on and so forth. Again and again this is not the only case of troubles with MS SQL. 4) Stability Nice topic! Too much to tell, even many things are in p.p. 1-3. What can I say more, if TVServer crashes DVB-drivers? Nice indeed. Believe me, I have at least one issue per day. I’d better stop, because I haven’t read error.log since yesterday. I really miss doing that : ) OK, guys, I don’t try to abuse anyone. I’m positive and I’m not going to change SW. I just still wonder – how long will it last? Thanks, Friend. I know that SS2's BDA are bad (no diseqc support in MP - only in DVBViewer). I'm using WDM, which work good in MP. If it's a drivers issue (although I didn't see drivers crash in other apps), I can wait for the update from the manufacturer. What I meant - an exception handler is needed. Not only for the driver's issue, but for DB-issues and so on. If I can help in testing, I will. Moreover, I re-installed OS the day before yesterday and spend every evening reading logs after my family goes to bed. I'll also try to buy another DVB-card, as noew I have more than one cable from my aerials. Unfortunately, the card is not from the list (peolple say it works in MP). Many cards from the Wiki will cost me more than 400 euros (tickets to Europe and backwards), as they aren't solved in Russia. [/QUOTE]
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