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    Hello guy's.

    i want make my own TVE Server.
    the goal is to make one system without screen / keyboard / mouse.
    and maybe can be used for streaming on Tablet / phone

    • Old Server
    - V3 -
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    : Asus P5W DH
    CPU : Intel E6400 s775 (2M Cache, 2.13 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB)
    GPU : Nvidia 7000 series 45W TDP
    Memory : 4 Go DDR2 5400 ( 4 x1 Go )
    HDD OS : SSD MX100 - 128GB +
    HDD DATA : 160GB Hitachi for TS & Temp
    PSU : Seasonic S12II-500
    Tuner DVB-S : 1 DVB-S2 PCI Technotrend TT-budget-3200 PCI + CAM reader
    Tuner DVB-T n°1 : 1 DVB-T Hybrid Hauppauge 1300 PCI
    Tuner DVB-T n°2 : 1 DVB-T Hybrid Hauppauge 1100 PCI (=1300 without encoder)

    - V2.1 -
    MB
    : Asrock 939A785GMH/128M http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/939A785GMH128M/
    CPU : Athlon64 X2 4200+ s939 ( Cool n quiet feature enabled for energy consumptium and noise )
    Memory : 2 Go DDR 400 ( 4 x512 Mo Corsair Value Select )
    HDD OS : SSD MX100 - 128GB +
    HDD DATA : 160GB Hitachi for TS & Temp
    PSU : Seasonic S12II-500
    Tuner DVB-S : 1 DVB-S2 PCI Technotrend TT-budget-3200 PCI
    Tuner DVB-T : 1 DVB-T Hybrid Hauppauge 1300 PCI

    - V2 -
    MB
    : Asrock 939A785GMH/128M http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/939A785GMH128M/
    CPU : Athlon64 X2 4200+ s939 ( Cool n quiet feature enabled for energy consumptium and noise )
    Memory : 2 Go DDR 400 ( 4 x512 Mo Corsair Value Select )
    HDD : 160 GB Hitachi ( for testing ) -NE-> SSD MX100 - 128GB + 160GB Hitachi for TS & Temp
    PSU : Lowcost Max in Power 450W "MAX" -NE- > Seasonic S12II-G460
    Tuner DVB-S : 1 DVB-S2 PCI Technotrend TT-budget-3200 PCI
    Tuner DVB-T : 1 DVB-T Hybrid Hauppauge 1300 PCI

    V1

    Asorck K8nf3-vsta http://www.asrock.com/mb/nvidia/k8nf3-vsta/
    Sempron 2800+ s754
    1 Go DDR 400
    500 Go HDD Green.
    1 DVB-S2 PCI Technotrend TT-budget-3200 PCI
    1 DVB-T Hauppauge PCI

    • Actual Server

    - V3.1-
    MB
    : Asus P5W DH
    CPU : Intel E6400 s775 (2M Cache, 2.13 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB)
    GPU : ATI HD2350 PCIE 256mb (Hypermemory ?) - 20W TDP
    Memory : 4 Go DDR2 5400 ( 4 x1 Go )
    HDD OS : SSD MX100 - 128GB +
    HDD DATA : 160GB Hitachi for TS & Temp
    PSU : Seasonic S12II-500
    Tuner DVB-S : 1 DVB-S2 PCI Technotrend TT-budget-3200 PCI + CAM reader
    Tuner DVB-T n°1 : 1 DVB-T Hybrid Hauppauge 1300 PCI
    Tuner DVB-T n°2 : 1 DVB-T Hybrid Hauppauge 1100 PCI (=1300 without encoder)

    Power Comsumption V2.1 :
    NAS 5 bay ( On 24/24) + Lan switch (24/24) + TV server ( sleep when not used ).
    Max load : 171W
    Monitoring during 1199h = 88.94 kW.h so 74Wh in average use
    • Project Server :

    my goal is to re-use my existing card. and maybe to look for future change. PCIE card replacement ...
    the server should be used only for TVE / MP2 server, and maybe an small virtual OS.

    4 Options :
    Option 1 : Intel J1900 platform.
    A new board exist from Asrock with 2 PCI. fone for me ... and 75€ without DDR
    Q1900M PRO3
    http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q1900M Pro3/
    • Intel® Quad-Core Celeron® Processor J1900
    • Supports DDR3 1333 Long DIMM Slots
    • 1 PCIe 2.0 x16, 1 PCIe 2.0 x1, 2 PCI
    • Graphics Output Options : D-Sub, HDMI
    • Built-in Intel® 7th generation (Gen 7) graphics, DirectX 11.0, Pixel Shader 5.0
    • 1 x COM Port, 1 x Printer Port, 1 x COM Port Header
    • 1 x USB 3.0, 6 x USB 2.0 (3 Front, 3 Rear), 2 x SATA2
    • Realtek Gigabit LAN
    • 5.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec)
    • Supports ASRock Cloud, APP Shop, Full Spike Protection
    Option 2 : Intel G1840 Platform

    Option 3 : AMD AM1 5350.

    Option 4 : AMD FM2 Platform. AMD A4-5300

    Common peripherial :
    PSU 350W 80+bronze bequiet = 45€
    DDR3 Kingston 16Go 2x8 1333mhz = 145€

    i must update this thread, but you can already reply. if you have opinion.
    you are welcome ;)
     
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    Hi.


    I would avoid these.

    Oh, the J1900 really is powerful with really low energy consumption (below 10 Watts). It has way more CPU and GPU Power than needed for a TV Server only...

    I had a Celeron 847 running as TVE3.0- and MP2- Server and as NAS (all at the same time) for years and it always was strong enough. The J1900 has 4-6 times the power of the 847, so lots of extra power available. Indeed the J1900 easy is strong enough for a MP1 client, the most power consuming software aside of the MediaBrowser3 Server in the HTPC world.

    The only usecase where none of azzuro's options are strong enough is streaming to smartphones or tablets via MPExtended. For this I won't recommend anything below a "mid-range" Core i3. If you need to do two streams at the same time, even an i5 like mine reaches it's limits.
     

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    The only usecase where none of azzuro's options are strong enough is streaming to smartphones or tablets via MPExtended. For this I won't recommend anything below a "mid-range" Core i3. If you need to do two streams at the same time, even an i5 like mine reaches it's limits.
    hummm, yes this way can be used. for tablet / smartphone ...
    can explain more on limit ?
     

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    Hi.
    There are two possibilities to watch Live TV on Android or iOS Devices via MPExtended. One way is to directly deliver the original stream. This is the same as watching Live TV on a "normal" Windows PC, so not much power needed. But you need a strong tablet for this. As example my Tablet (2 Ghz QuadCore CPU and GPU able to display resolutions above "Full HD") can handle direct streams without issues. So I can use 4 or 5 of them at the same time (as long as the Wlan is fast enough) But other, not that powerful devices like my smartphone are not able to do so. For those devices the Server needs to recode the LiveTV "on the fly" to a format the phone can handle. As you can imagine, recoding of (worst case scenario) 1080i HDTV needs a lot of CPU power, if you need to do it fast (faster than real time as you need some extra buffer)... And with two devices you need double the power, with 3 you need it three times,...

    BTW I'm not using aMPdroid on my tablet, I'm using the full blown "XBMC/Kodi for Android" on it as MP client. Works like a charm.
     

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    thank you for clarification.
    all my system use gigabit wires. excepted Wifi device. phone & ( none tablet yet).

    the price is also to consider ...
    i don't want buy one system to be good for the trash in 2-3 years.
    i must update the post#1 and list the price for each system ( based price available in france )

    i must try to use mpextended on my sempron. for look what system power is needed, Oupff i think i will take time and to be patient.
     

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    Hi there,

    Transcoding/streaming will the be most CPU intensive operation the server can do. My i7 will handle 6 streams ok (tested with MPExtended/ffmpeg) - Admittedly in real life I wont ever have that many streams, probably 2, but I thought I would test it :)

    My server runs MB3, Sabnzbd, Couchpotato, Sickbeard, MP2 Server, MP1 Server, MPExtended, SQL Server - It idles at 38W (a bit higher than you probably wanted). Most the time it's about 3% CPU lol

    J.
     

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    Oh, the J1900 really is powerful with really low energy consumption (below 10 Watts). It has way more CPU and GPU Power than needed for a TV Server only...
    I had a Celeron 847 running as TVE3.0- and MP2- Server and as NAS (all at the same time) for years and it always was strong enough. The J1900 has 4-6 times the power of the 847, so lots of extra power available. Indeed the J1900 easy is strong enough for a MP1 client, the most power consuming software aside of the MediaBrowser3 Server in the HTPC world.
    Maybe I'm just biased and out of touch. :)

    FWIW IMHO performance of TVE core benefits more from faster clock speeds than more cores. However a lot depends on:
    • number of simultaneous clients
    • soft decryption
    • use of transcoding with MPExtended
    • use of software encoders for analog TV and/or FM radio
    Either way, almost anything has got to be better than the current Sempron + green HDD + 1GB RAM.

    PS: Don't forget the HDD/SDD. That can make a big difference.
    /mm
     

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