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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bounguine" data-source="post: 518247" data-attributes="member: 16098">It’s almost impossible to make renaming as I have more than 3 000 channels.Besides I’ll have to copy and rename icons.Too much to do!It’s not that difficult for me, if I sort off a group (I have 20 groups with 20-40 channels (IDs) in each) and see:- id, - channel name seen in MP (actual name), - provider.After that I would map the online channel name to the chosen ID.Plus I name some groups with country names (see below) to easily map online channels.That’s the best solution for me to distinguish between different languages, as I know that, say, Digital+ is Spanish, NTV+ is Russian, etc.I do understand what I want really.Please believe me.These are my reasons.a) I have a 4x1 Diseqc and an analogue card (DVB-T is planned).More than 20 groups x about 40 channels in each = about 800 channels (I didn’t count channels and don’t know the exact number).b) Some groups are named (e.g. “Ukraine”) to make me know what language is used in broadcasting (to correctly map channels in XMLTV and WebEPG and to switch to an appropriate channel in MP when, say, I have a guest from abroad (here – from Ukraine)).c) I have lots of duplicates with the same name:* like that I said above with different languages (I sorted them in different genre-groups and “country”-groups),* with the same language (state/regional) – they may be sorted in one group,* with the same language (I’m an official subscriber of NTV+/I’m not an official subscriber of TricolorTV) – channels of the first provider are in my groups, channels of the second are not mapped to any group; I don’t want to map online channels to the second provider as I don’t need to get EPG - otherwise if I browse TV guide to preplan recording I can choose by mistake programs broadcasted by the second provider, which I will never record (no subscription) – with DVB EPG or XMLTV I don’t have this problem.d) MP can’t understand after scanning that channel is not broadcasted anymore (Dreambox can).I do scan almost each week and I delete channels from DB (no broadcasting) and add new channels to existing groups. If someone asks me, I put channels to a different group or delete them from groups. If I want, I rename channels (I’m a user and there’s an option – so why can’t I?).Here’s my example of what is now done in WebEPG.Now some examples.Legend:“WebEPG” - “Channel 4” is only the actual name (=displayName, <>ID), - one online channel is mapped automatically to the actual name (to ID 1, ID 2, etc. which have this actual name),- after changing “Channel 4” (for ID 2) to “Channel 4b” I always have to make another mapping for ID 2 using new actual name “Channel 4b”“XMLTV”- “Channel 4” is only the actual name (=displayName, <>ID), - different online channels can be mapped separately to ID 1, ID 2, etc., without caring about actual name,- after changing “Channel 4” (for ID 2) to “Channel 4b” I don’t have to make another mapping for ID 2 as the online channel is always mapped to ID 2.Example (a)I imported all the channels, mapped them and I have a very long list whenever I open WebEPG (800 channels):Group Movies – “Channel 1” (Russian language)Group Movies – “Channel 1” (English language) <<<<<<< not seen, no correct mappingGroup Movies – “Channel 1” (Ukrainian language) <<<<<<< not seen, no correct mappingGroup Movies – “Channel 2”Group Movies – “Channel 3”Group Movies – “Channel 4”Group Movies – “Channel …”Group Movies – “Channel 40”Group Ukraine – “Channel 1” (Ukrainian language) <<<<<<< not seen, no correct mappingGroup Ukraine – “Channel 41”Group Ukraine – “Channel ..”Group Ukraine – “Channel 80”Group Russian – “Channel 1” (analogue, regional) <<<<<<< not seen, no correct mappingGroup Russian – “Channel 81”Group Russian – “Channel 82”Group Russian – “Channel …”Group Russian – “Channel 119”Group Russian – “Channel 120”Group n – “Channel 790”Group n – “Channel …”Group n – “Channel 800”In XMLTV if I choose Group Movies, I have:Group Movies – “Channel 1” (Russian language)Group Movies – “Channel 1” (English language) Group Movies – “Channel 1” (Ukrainian language) Group Movies – “Channel 2”Group Movies – “Channel 3”Group Movies – “Channel 4”Group Movies – “Channel …”Group Movies – “Channel 40”I can do correct mapping and I see only 40 channels (all 40 IDs for correct mapping).Example (b)b1) I delete Group Movies – “Channel 3”b2) I renamed Group Movies – “Channel 4” to “Channel 4b” and deleted it from Group Movies and added it to Group Russian.b3) I renamed Group Russian – “Channel 119” to Group Russian – “Channel 119b”b4) I made a scanning and found Channel 801 and added it to Group Ukraine.What I have:Group Movies – “Channel 1” (Russian language)Group Movies – “Channel 1” (English language) <<<<<<< not seen, no correct mappingGroup Movies – “Channel 1” (Ukrainian language) <<<<<<< not seen, no correct mappingGroup Movies – “Channel 2”Group Movies – “Channel 3” >>>>>> (b1) no channel (deleted), but seen in the list, still mapped, needs to be removed manuallyGroup Movies – “Channel 4” <><><><><> (b2) still in the list although renamed and moved to Group Russian, needs to be remapped, needs to be removed manuallyGroup Movies – “Channel …”Group Movies – “Channel 40”Group Ukraine – “Channel 1” (Ukrainian language) <<<<<<< not seen, no correct mappingGroup Ukraine – “Channel 41”Group Ukraine – “Channel ..”Group Ukraine – “Channel 80”Group Russian – “Channel 1” (analogue, regional) <<<<<<< not seen, no correct mappingGroup Russian – “Channel 81”Group Russian – “Channel 82”Group Russian – “Channel …”Group Russian – “Channel 119” ====== (b3) still in the list although renamed, needs to be remapped, needs to be removed manuallyGroup Russian – “Channel 120”Group n – “Channel 790”Group n – “Channel …”Group n – “Channel 800”Group Russian – “Channel 4b” <><><><> (b2) the second instance + I must remember the new group name after the channel have been moved to import the new group and get the channel in the list (otherwise it won’t be remapped)Group Russian – “Channel 119b” ======  (b3) the second instance + I must remember the old group name after the channel have been moved to import the new group and get the channel in the list(otherwise it won’t be remapped)Group Ukraine – “Channel 801” +++++ (b4) I must remember the new group name after the channel have been moved to import the new group and get the channel in the list (otherwise it won’t be mapped)In XMLTV:b1-3)Group Movies – “Channel 1” (Russian language)Group Movies – “Channel 1” (English language) Group Movies – “Channel 1” (Ukrainian language) Group Movies – “Channel 2”Group Movies – “Channel 3” -------- not in the list (deleted), no mapping (right)Group Movies – “Channel 4” -------- not in the list (deleted from the group), still mapped to the ID (right)Group Movies – “Channel …”Group Movies – “Channel 40”+ There’s no need to remap “Channel 4” (e.g. “Canaaaaaaal +”) as “Channel 4b” (“Canal +”) still has mapping to the ID 2. No need to remember the new group name for remapping.If the channel was renamed by the provider (“Channel 4”  (“Canal +”) to “Channel 4b”  (“Jetix”)) I can easily found the new group importing each group and always having not more than 40 channels in the list.Seeing 40 lines:Group Russian – “Channel 1” (analogue, regional) Group Russian – “Channel 81”Group Russian – “Channel 82”Group Russian – “Channel …”Group Russian – “Channel 4b” (ID 2, Jetix, NTV+, canal+@ntvplus.ru)Group Russian – “Channel 119b”I can find the mistake and make remapping, I assure you.The same with “Channel 119b” and “Channel 119”b4) The same here:Group Ukraine – “Channel 41”Group Ukraine – “Channel ..”Group Ukraine – “Channel 80”Group Ukraine – “Channel 801”XMLTV logically is done perfectly for that purpose.I don’t clean TV DB before scanning.I make rescanning every week and still see ID 1, 2, etc.I see both IDs for channels still broadcasted and not broadcasted (I delete them using TVServer console).Plus I can see new ID (new channels).Do you mean that scanning procedure deletes all the IDs?But then why are there channels not broadcasted?How can they be added as there was no signal when scanning.And why then IDs are correctly mapped to the groups?I just looked dbo.Channel and see the ID-order.If it were like you said, I would seeLIDs by Satellite 1IDs by Satellite 2IDs by Satellite 3IDs by Satellite 4But I seeIDs by Satellite 1IDs by Satellite 2IDs by Satellite 3IDs by Satellite 4IDs by Satellite 1IDs by Satellite 2IDs by Satellite 3IDs by Satellite 4IDs by Satellite 1IDs by Satellite 2IDs by Satellite 3IDs by Satellite 4Which makes me think that db “remembers” every scan made and IDs don’t change during each scan.And XMLTV still uploads TV guide for all the channels in my 20 groups according to its own ID-mappings.Even if I drop DB after scanning and use backup.See no problems at all.If an ID is removed from DB, there’s no need in mapping.If displayName is changed by a user, there’s no need to show old displayName and to make a remapping.Now I can’t do right mapping in WebEPG and I have to browse a long list of more then 800 channels.I’m not a developer, but I can spend a week or so and make a MS Access project, connect it to the DB and make some sort of sorting.As I can’t change WebEPG, I would make a trick – any kind sorting in DB, mapping in WebEPG.xml, making an *xml, making mapping in XMLTV. And all through the project.The discussion a bit reminds me that about previewing in TV groups, which was deleted by developers in latest releases.</blockquote>

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