For The Record 1.3.3 Released (3 Viewers)

[dvdfreak]

Does this mean that the quality when usin multiseat could actually be a little bit worse than with the original TV plugin? I am not talking about freezes and stuff, but just about picture quality.

Image quality itself cannot be worser. User experience can and will.

So let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, image quality is the same, and on a single-machine setup I doubt there will be any lost frames since there's no real network traffic.

And if there are other RTSP issues I guess it's the MP team that should get to work

Let's move on to more important matters

 

[stefancrs]

For the technical differences the zapping cannot be as fast on the multiseat environment as it will be on the single seat. of cource if you have some way to solve / improve the performance please fell free to provide some patch

Everything in life is a matter of give and take. We need to outweigh the effort and added complexity against the beneft.

Currently For The Record is perfect for multi-seat use, since the whole architecture is multi-seat from the ground up. You can even install the Web Access site or the IM-Bot on a different machine than your Core Services, and of course as many clients or even recorder/tuners as you wish on any machine on your LAN. Clients can even connect from anywhere in the world over HTTPS (except for watching/streaming of course, but you can edit schedules to your heart's content ).

So we prefer to keep the flexibility like that.

So far For The Record users are very enthousiastic about its stability, and this is certainly in part due to the fact that the architecture is solid and patch-free. So adding specific things for single seat situations may add complexity we prefer to avoid. Just saying that all this needs to be looked at carefully. Stability comes first, features come next. And features on their own need to be outweighed as well of course, because we love killer features as much as the next guy

I'm a single seat kindof guy. But I must agree. And really, zapping is not the future. There's better things to do with ones time For instance just watch someting one enjoys watching. Or read a book.

 

[vuego]

Why not make a poll on the For the Record website: "Do you use For the Record with MediaPortal in multi or single seat?"

I'm not saying that you should rebuild the architecture but it could be interesting to know what kind of users you have. I'm guessing that more than 50% are single seat users.

 

[dvdfreak]

I'm not saying that you should rebuild the architecture but it could be interesting to know what kind of users you have. I'm guessing that more than 50% are single seat users.

Yes, this could indeed be interesting. However, where is the real problem?

OK, I hoped to move on to more important things, but let me get back to this one more (last?) time

We already know that with RTSP image quality remains identical, skipping is reportedly a bit slower and there may be dropped frames for HD streams on a network.

But dropped frames for HD on a network is only an issue for multiseat users to begin with, so that point is moot. I'm assuming there's no problem with HD on a single-seat machine since there's no actual network traffic (it's straight to localhost). And noone has complained about skipping slowness yet as far as I know.

So what are we fixing then? I don't see a problem that needs fixing, only a theoretical technical remark.

I'd rather concentrate on improving the live TV support, adding some usability improvements to the MP client, etc... All much more important than an almost invented problem... Or am I mistaken?

In the mean time For The Record works equally well for single-seat and multiseat users

 

[Bussiebaer]

Just another thanks for this great program! After an update of the EPG I was surprised, to find a record-schedule for my wifes favorited TV-Serie. It was cancelled a few weeks ago in the middle of the season. Now it's back again on short notice with the next new episodes (announcement on sunday, airdate is on thursday. Print-Magazins have still the crappy replace-show listet...), and without the "record it anytime anythere"-Rule we would have missed it for sure... Saved me an angry wife ;-)

 

[tourettes]

We already know that with RTSP image quality remains identical, skipping is reportedly a bit slower and there may be dropped frames for HD streams on a network.

But dropped frames for HD on a network is only an issue for multiseat users to begin with, so that point is moot. I'm assuming there's no problem with HD on a single-seat machine since there's no actual network traffic (it's straight to localhost). And noone has complained about skipping slowness yet as far as I know.

Small correction to that. The issue with HD streams arent the network itself, but the old winsock1 stack used. So local host will also experience the same data drop outs on high bandwidth HD channels.

 

[dvdfreak]

Small correction to that. The issue with HD streams arent the network itself, but the old winsock1 stack used. So local host will also experience the same data drop outs on high bandwidth HD channels.

OK, that's too bad there's a problem there then But it's kind of clear where the fix needs to be too. How hard is this to fix? I'd certainly prefer to spend time help looking for a proper solution to this winsock1 problem rather than spend time on kludging something in For The Record.

After all, this winsock1 problem is causing trouble for multiseat user as well, right?

Saved me an angry wife ;-)

These kind of stories "from the field" are cool to hear! And nobody wants an angry wife of course!

 

[tourettes]

Small correction to that. The issue with HD streams arent the network itself, but the old winsock1 stack used. So local host will also experience the same data drop outs on high bandwidth HD channels.

OK, that's too bad there's a problem there then But it's kind of clear where the fix needs to be too. How hard is this to fix? I'd certainly prefer to spend time help looking for a proper solution to this winsock1 problem rather than spend time on kludging something in For The Record.

After all, this winsock1 problem is causing trouble for multiseat user as well, right?

We received one patch that changes the Winsock1 to Winsock2, but it was causing pretty big havoc. There is currenly no proper plans when (or even who) will fix the issue. We were hoping that the patche's original author would have fixed the patch, but no one has heard a word from him.

Unfortunately it wont be fixed for 1.0, as its a high risk fix.

 

[disaster123]

What is about using not rtsp? like here:
https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/...-avoiding-rtsp-multiseat-mode-test-plz-36735/

 

[tourettes]

What is about using not rtsp? like here:
https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/...-avoiding-rtsp-multiseat-mode-test-plz-36735/

Its not officially supported, so I think no external plugins should depend on such "hack".