For The Record 1.3.3 Released (2 Viewers)

[Bleazle]

yeah let's say i watch timeshifted live TV and will forward the ads...

Yeah timeshifting is great BUT Comskip rules! Just wish I could get 4TR sorted!

 

[AlfredENeuma]

Only source code in Web Access

Hi,

I installed 4TR, everything looks fine. But when I try to access with Web access, I get (in IE7) only the page source code. Any idea?

Thanks!

Alfred

 

[dvdfreak]

I installed 4TR, everything looks fine. But when I try to access with Web access, I get (in IE7) only the page source code. Any idea?

This thread may help you as it contains some possible issues which may prevent Web Access from working.

One more question - why is XMLTV preferred over DVB? I've found DVB-S much less hassle to set up and use - I'd hate to (and won't) go back to using XMLTV...

XMLTV generally provides much more detailed information, like the episode title, the director, the actors of a movie, etc...

And the richer your guide data, the better your scheduling rules work, so that's why it's the preferred source ...

OK, thanks for that - I'll still stick with DVB-S though, so much less hassle

OK But you'll have to turn on DVB-EPG syncing in the TV Server recorder/tuner setup then, otherwise For The Record's guide will remain empty.

 

[jonaskp]

I installed 4TR, everything looks fine. But when I try to access with Web access, I get (in IE7) only the page source code. Any idea?

This thread may help you as it contains some possible issues which may prevent Web Access from working.

Hehe, I really put you guys to work on that one
In the end, the biggest problem seemed to be the MP Webinterface, that was interfeering with the 4TheRecord one. So try to disable this first, if you have this installed.

I'm using the new 1.3 LiveTV instead of MP builtin, but so far I'm not sure if I'm gonna keep doing it. I have experienced a couple of "lock-ups" when trying to start LiveTV after installing. I'm not sure if it's 4TheRecord og TVserver that's causing them, so this problem might not be related to 4TheRecord at all.
Also, and this may just be placebo, but it seems that LiveTV is not as good quality when using 4TheRecord. I notice it on my HD channels where it just seems that panning was a bit smoother and the image crisper with the Mp TvClient - this may just be placebo, since I cannot figure out why there should be any difference, tehcnically.

Also, one thing I am missing, is the indication of available channels when looking at the channellist. Since I have a DVB-C card it is not always logical which channels are available (since there is the mix-up with the MUX's). MPtvClient shows me which channels are available and which are recording. In 4TheRecord there are no indication.

When recording I hate that I cannot change the way the recordings are named, nor can I stop it from creating a subfolder with the name of the recording and putting it there. Right now the name goes something like: "Grey's anatomy (american Drama Serie from 2007) - Kanal 4 - 03-11-2008.ts" which I think are way too long. And I cannot change it. This may be possible with some Post-processing commands, but i just have no Clue as to how to do it.
When Scheduling a recording in the Management, I can set the name of the File, but when scheduling through the MP GUI there is no way to change it (right now, perhaps this is in the making).

The greatest thing about 4The Record for me is the very flexible recording options. Just the fact that when I schedule a recording that is set to start at 20.00, if the EPG then later changes to 20.15, 4TheRecord will automatically pick this change up and recording according to the New EPG. This feature alone is the reason right now, why I am using 4TheRecord. I'm still deciding on whether the above mentioned things are worth losing in order to get the flexible recording options.

 

[dvdfreak]

Also, and this may just be placebo, but it seems that LiveTV is not as good quality when using 4TheRecord. I notice it on my HD channels where it just seems that panning was a bit smoother and the image crisper with the Mp TvClient - this may just be placebo, since I cannot figure out why there should be any difference, tehcnically.

This is your mind playing tricks The source code for the plugin is available and as you can see there it's the same global MP player playing the same RTSP stream as before

Also, one thing I am missing, is the indication of available channels when looking at the channellist. Since I have a DVB-C card it is not always logical which channels are available (since there is the mix-up with the MUX's). MPtvClient shows me which channels are available and which are recording. In 4TheRecord there are no indication.

We could indeed look at adding some indicators, especially which channel is currently recording something.

When recording I hate that I cannot change the way the recordings are named, nor can I stop it from creating a subfolder with the name of the recording and putting it there. Right now the name goes something like: "Grey's anatomy (american Drama Serie from 2007) - Kanal 4 - 03-11-2008.ts" which I think are way too long. And I cannot change it. This may be possible with some Post-processing commands, but i just have no Clue as to how to do it.
When Scheduling a recording in the Management, I can set the name of the File, but when scheduling through the MP GUI there is no way to change it (right now, perhaps this is in the making).

The feature request to make the recording folder configurable per schedule is already on our list, just need to find some time to implement this.

 

[AlfredENeuma]

WebAccess fixed

Hi guys,

thanks for the fast answers.

When I was checking the other thread, first I deinstalled the MP Web-Interface - no result.

But "C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727" run the "aspnet_regiis.exe -i" fixed it.

Thanks a lot!

Alfred

 

[jonaskp]

This is your mind playing tricks The source code for the plugin is available and as you can see there it's the same global MP player playing the same RTSP stream as before

I thought so to, but maybe I should just get used to it.

We could indeed look at adding some indicators, especially which channel is currently recording something.

This would be great. The way it works in MP right now (this example is with a single tuner card, DVB), is that whenever a channel is recording, this channel gets marked as "recording". Depending on the skin, it either gets a symbol or there is a text saying "Recording". TVserver then checks if there are other channels on the same MUX, which would still be available. If there are, these channels gets marked with "Available". Rest of the channels gets marked "Unavailable".
This is great for getting an overview of which channels are currently available, especially if you have 2 DVB-tunercards with a mix of different MUX's. It is not always logical which channels are where on which MUX's.
The one thing missing in the builtin TVclient right now, is that this only shows up when you open channel list in the GUI. there are no indications when you are in TVguide. This would be great to have, if you intend on implementing this in 4TheRecord.
It makes it very easy to see what channels are watchable when you are recording something.

The feature request to make the recording folder configurable per schedule is already on our list, just need to find some time to implement this.

Great to hear!


Think I might stick with 4TheRecord. There are somethings that are not quite on par with the built in Client/recorder, but there are definately things that are better. And the development seems to be going in the right direction.

 

[tourettes]

This is your mind playing tricks The source code for the plugin is available and as you can see there it's the same global MP player playing the same RTSP stream as before

Is RTSP also used for single seat system? That might explain some differences if yes.

 

[dvdfreak]

Is RTSP also used for single seat system? That might explain some differences if yes.

For The Record doesn't make any difference between single seat and multiseat, so yes.

But why would RTSP playback be of lesser quality then direct TS playback? It's the same digital video information, no? The same number of frames, and the same pixels...

 

[tourettes]

Is RTSP also used for single seat system? That might explain some differences if yes.

For The Record doesn't make any difference between single seat and multiseat, so yes.

But why would RTSP playback be of lesser quality then direct TS playback? It's the same digital video information, no? The same number of frames, and the same pixels...

Video stream itself is the same to every single bit, but unfortunately there are differences between

- TsReader has few bugs (mantis)
- live555 library is used (its old and propably contains some bugs)
- winsock 1 is used, so at least hugh bandwidth HD channels can have stuttering / dropped frames
- Seeking and zapping is slower with the RTPS (for many reasons, mainly because its build for network use, extra work & buffering...)

So for the single seat users the direct TS buffer access will definately provide a better user experience. Maybe it should be used in 1.3.1?