Secondary sorting in TV recordings (1 Viewer)

[gonzo90017]

Don't know if this is skin related or MP 1.3 final related. . .

The one thing I really liked about 1.3 beta and 1.3 RC was that I could have the Recorded TV section list ordered by Title but still have the recordings inside each series ordered by date. Now having upgraded to 1.3 final it's no longer possible to do that. It's either one or the other.

 

[gonzo90017]

Any thoughts?

 

[jameson_uk]

This appears to be a bug. The sorting should only take into account the title but is using the episode name too.

Can you post a bug report in the relevant forum else I will forget...

 

[owilsky]

Can you post a bug report in the relevant forum else I will forget...

And where would that be? I posted a bug in the "Titan - Bug Reports & Issues" thread:
https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/threads/titan-bug-reports-issues.114552/page-25#post-970262

But I never heard anything back or even a confirmation that this is a bug.

 

[jameson_uk]

Try a different skin and the problem will still be there so nothing to do with Titan. I am on my phone so can't link but I am talking about the bug reporting forum for mp (see the various stickies about reporting bugs or the wiki)

Else a nice mod might move this thread

 

[jameson_uk]

There is a commit which changed this (https://github.com/MediaPortal/Medi...ne3/TVLibrary/TvPlugin/TvPlugin/TvRecorded.cs) but it should not have made a difference to the final outcome... This looks like it would have been that way in 1.2 too....

The only way it would have worked previously is if the EPG had no episode data (or episode data was turned off in config).
Having a look at the code now...

 

[jameson_uk]

I guess the question is how should this work....
Current logic is to do secondary sorts like

Played	Name	Channel	Date
Name	Channel	Date
Duration	Date
Date
Genre	Date?	Channel	Name	Date

Where name is based on the full description (eg. Title (series.episode episode name)
The Genre one is definitely odd and inconsistent but that is a different issue...

 

[mm1352000]

*bump*
What is the outcome here @jameson_uk?
Two issues?

 

[jameson_uk]

*bump*
What is the outcome here @jameson_uk?
Two issues?

No outcome.... This is way it always has been
There are kind of two issues but they are the same really. We need to decide how secondary sorts should work. It gets more complicated when you have programs with episode details as the current logic takes into account the whole string when sorting. So part of this is taking into account only the actual program name when sorting and the other part is how to sort subsequently.

If you have
Program (1.1 Pilot)
Program (1.2 Episode 1)
Program (1.3 Episode 3)
When sorting by name I might want to see them in this order (I guess this is actually ordered by episode but works by how we build the program name)
but if you had
Program (Pilot)
Program (This is Episode 1)
Program (Another Episode)
...
sorting by name make little sense.

Not sure what the best way to improve this is but sorting by channel seems an odd way to do this?

 

[mm1352000]

Not sure what the best way to improve this is but sorting by channel seems an odd way to do this?

Some people memorise the channels that programmes show on... so I guess sometimes it makes sense to group by channels at times, but not necessarily sort.

Example use case: what was the name of that documentary I recorded on the Beeb last week?
There are 3 ways to find such a recording (assuming you don't remember the name):

• genre (documentary)
• date
• channel

Since genre is not often (even not usually?) available in sparse guide data, that is often not a choice.
Date... well if you can't remember the name, you might not remember the date either. If you do, it is a good option.
In this circumstance, channel could be seen as a lowest-common-denominator grouping mechanism to help you narrow it down.

Maybe stretching it?

In any case, I think we clearly need separate options for sorting by episode details. Maybe even only by episode number.
I'd expect the most common sort for movies would be by name or genre + name.
For series, name + episode number (or date - when episode number is not available) or series + played/not-played + episode number (or date).

As long as we can do that I think we'd have the basics covered.
Whaddaya reckon?