[no Bug] EVR and Stutter with nVidia ION (2 Viewers)

[tompa]

Hi!

Tried the new driver 257.29 but no luck here.

My problem is also 1080 material, its working Ok in wmp but not in mp

/tompa

edit: works ok if EVR is disabled

 

[SimondusMaximus]

Tompa, I've no idea about your graphics hardware. Maybe it's codec related? Somebody mentioned the Nvidia PureVideo codec is good for 1080p vids - again I've no idea as never used it. Alternatively for 20 quid or so, the CoreAVC worked really well for me on Win 7.

Anyway, today I've been installing and testing Win XP SP3 on my client with VMR9 and SAF codecs, sticking with Win 7 on the server and so far (just as Kotik mentioned) it works beautifully for all my videos (mpeg2 and H264), standard definition TV streams and all DVD's (so far) with my TV set to 720p, 1080i and 1080p resolutions. Only thing I haven't tested is any 1080i content or HD TV as I only have DVB-T, not satellite.

Must admit I didn't want to use XP as I do like Win 7 a lot and it's obviously the future, but for my specific hardware, MediaPortal on Win XP is a winner. And it's a lot lighter, making it perfect for my client installations.

So as alluded to previously, looks like the ION hasn't got quite enough grunt to utilise EVR at 1080p, or the nVidia driver isn't quite up to scratch. I'll be keeping an eye open for the next generation ION's and will hopefully be able to test one when released. And of course I'll report back any findings if anyone's interested.

Once again, thanks to everyone for your thoughts and comments, very much appreciated.

I really shouldn't tempt fate but......right now I have a perfect setup! Woo hoo!!

Cheers
Si

 

[te3hpurp]

Tompa, I've no idea about your graphics hardware. Maybe it's codec related? Somebody mentioned the Nvidia PureVideo codec is good for 1080p vids - again I've no idea as never used it. Alternatively for 20 quid or so, the CoreAVC worked really well for me on Win 7.

Anyway, today I've been installing and testing Win XP SP3 on my client with VMR9 and SAF codecs, sticking with Win 7 on the server and so far (just as Kotik mentioned) it works beautifully for all my videos (mpeg2 and H264), standard definition TV streams and all DVD's (so far) with my TV set to 720p, 1080i and 1080p resolutions. Only thing I haven't tested is any 1080i content or HD TV as I only have DVB-T, not satellite.

Must admit I didn't want to use XP as I do like Win 7 a lot and it's obviously the future, but for my specific hardware, MediaPortal on Win XP is a winner. And it's a lot lighter, making it perfect for my client installations.

So as alluded to previously, looks like the ION hasn't got quite enough grunt to utilise EVR at 1080p, or the nVidia driver isn't quite up to scratch. I'll be keeping an eye open for the next generation ION's and will hopefully be able to test one when released. And of course I'll report back any findings if anyone's interested.

Once again, thanks to everyone for your thoughts and comments, very much appreciated.

I really shouldn't tempt fate but......right now I have a perfect setup! Woo hoo!!

Cheers
Si

Hi.

If you have installed and tried a lot of NVidia drivers i suggest you do what I did before getting rid if Win7

https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/general-support-51/stuering-hd-sometimes-sd-my-solution-80199/

Br,

 

[SimondusMaximus]

Hi te3hpurp. Tried your suggestion but to no avail. Many thanks though.

 

[mba]

Hi si

I have the exact same problem with an eb1501 ion 330 based asus nettop. I'm using the coreavc codec which ought to be optimized towards cuda. It displays 1080p without a glitch using vmr9, but is practically unwatchable using evr, dropping more frames than it is displaying. I don't believe I had these issues with wmc showing hd material.

Anybody have some new input or suggestions? I'm not able to put xp on the system and I think this is a bit drastic when the system+software should be up for the task.

Best regards
Martin

 

[Scythe42]

I'm not able to put xp on the system and I think this is a bit drastic when the system+software should be up for the task.

Even if you think they should be up to the task they are in fact not. This has been mentioned several times in other threads.

An ION is not enough for MediaPortal to de interlace 1080i video with EVR. EVR needs more power than VMR9. That's the way Microsoft designed it. It's based on Aero. Guess why the Basic and Starter Versions of Win7 come without Aero? Yep, because they are for low end systems like NetBooks (read ION & Atom based systems) with a completely different target usage.

Why does WMC work? Because it's a single seat player local on your machine that requires less CPU power because it does less. It's that simple.

MP has a completely difference architecture with other things in mind. For that it's more hardware hungry. The GUI rendering alone requires additional power. That's always an issue with eye candy for a HTPC application. To make it more beautiful you require more power. Especially when it comes to the TV part.

With some time and proper configuration (including over-clocking and and no bad plugins) you can get an ION to display 720p/1080p with a few dropped frames only. It has not enough power to display HD resolutions and de-interlace at the same time with EVR. And EVR is the only thing officially supported for Vista/Win7 (VMR9 is not officially supported on these platforms).

For an ION based HTPC the recommendation is to stick with XP and VMR9. If you cannot downgrade for whatever reason, I suggest using player only software for live TV.

They are marketed "can handle HDTV" because they barely can handle it and when they can't do anything else. As sexy as such CPUs/GPUs sound from a marketing standpoint they are not up to the task to run a full media center with a nice GUI that offers stuff like multi-seat setups.

 

[mba]

It is not a fact.... it is capable of rendering 1080p material.

As I stated I'm am not trying to deinterlace 1080i, I'm trying to display a 1080p image.

And as for the mp eyecandy it should not burden the system while running fullscreen video?

 

[robyf]

mba: the IOS is on the line with 1080p. In general it should be able to render it with MP.

Please edit system specs in profile and make them visible. Please post logs too and an EVR stats screenshot (shift+1) too.

 

[mba]

Ah! it wasn't enough just entering the system spec's, I had overlooked the enable option

I have attached logs and a screendump taken during a 1280x720 HD show.

 

[robyf]

There is no mediaportal.log in the zip file. Have you collected it using debug tool?

Anyway can you try to use microsoft codec for video? I also experiment lot of frame drops using coreavc codec for TV, but microsoft codec works fine.

Is this a 720p show?