MP2 alpha does NOT and will NOT support Windows XP. (3 Viewers)

[D j]

D j

Even the so called driver support has been compromised by vendors such as ATI and Nvidia for older products, so how in gods name are we supposed to work around that, sorry but you are asking the impossible with our limited resources, let alone the limitations of an older system, which needs hacks to work properly anyway.

Please respect the statements that have been made regarding this and move on.

@Pd

What exactly has been "compromised" , sorry i don't get you on that one. Compromised is kind of ambiguous unless i missed something ??

I guess I will be moving on. Just really upset i won't ever have access to PiP i've been waiting since 2009 for. cripts 3 years ? */shakes head/*
That really sucks to wait 2 1/2 years and now being told it won't even be a possibility for us and you guys are totally against it.
I also was looking forward to coding plugins and setting up something similar to boxee's OSD (with access over network) with clickable attributes similar to that of what solarwalk for iOS has. It was something i envisioned since the boxee was released. Now my dream has been killed. MP1 simply does not poses the plugin support for something like this with PiP support. What a pointless argument tho cuz i have a funny feeling this is all backed by MS in some way/shape/form.

Maybe this could still be done in MP1 ? Could the PiP includes from MP2 somehow be ported over ?

The most disappointing thing you´ve heard in your life? Sounds like you are really blessed...

Seriously, there are a lot of reasons not to support XP anymore. If you want to have MP2 to support XP for whatever reasons, then just submit the necessary code.

@Sebble You know what? i'd love to help code a MP2 that supports XP, however with the wide use of DX10 in MP2 (which isn't nativity supported on XP) i fear my efforts would be in vain.

And yes it is very disappointing* , i've been waiting over 2 years for PiP support. And REALLY Not to mention the entire point of FOSS is to adopt compatibility first not make things even harder to use. wth ?

All in all we want to help support a FOSS app that is actually making a effort to be universal FIRST and foremost, not cater to any one particular group of people. It would be like me coding firefox for years and years only to have it supported on SuSe, then charging a gargantuan premium tech support cost for it.

sorry if i brought down the mood :-/

 

[mm1352000]

...cuz i have a funny feeling this is all backed by MS in some way/shape/form.

Stop insinuating this please. You've been told in no uncertain terms that this is not the case so to continue to suggest this is rude and insulting. I'll say it once again - there is no connection between Microsoft and MediaPortal. Like many other developers, we just happen to develop software for their operating systems. Because of resource constraints we choose to develop for the platforms that most people use, that support the best features, and that aren't overly time consuming to support.

I do note that if you have been waiting for PiP support for so long then you might have been following the development of MP 2 more closely. As I understand it, the requirement for W7+ has been a design decision from a long time back and has been mentioned quite a few times in the public development forums.

 

[D j]

...cuz i have a funny feeling this is all backed by MS in some way/shape/form.

Stop insinuating this please. You've been told in no uncertain terms that this is not the case so to continue to suggest this is rude and insulting. I'll say it once again - there is no connection between Microsoft and MediaPortal. Like many other developers, we just happen to develop software for their operating systems. Because of resource constraints we choose to develop for the platforms that most people use, that support the best features, and that aren't overly time consuming to support.

I do note that if you have been waiting for PiP support for so long then you might have been following the development of MP 2 more closely. As I understand it, the requirement for W7+ has been a design decision from a long time back and has been mentioned quite a few times in the public development forums.

Sorry if you feel like i've insinuated or insulted anything. That is my strong belief. They have every means at their disposal to do this. Not to mention 52% of all changes in the linux kernel over the past 2 years come from there devs.
Would it make you feel better if i removed my references to that particular vendor ?

And, I seriously did not see one mention that MP2 would be supported on windows 7 and windows 7 only, maybe it slipped past me. I dont know.
Can you direct me to a post where that was mentioned prior to march ?

Thanks,
David

 

[D j]

I'm sorry any of you feel insulted. I won't bring this up again. I truly am sorry.

 

[mm1352000]

Hi again

Sorry if you feel like i've insinuated or insulted anything. That is my strong belief.

Understood - it is just not factually accurate.

They have every means at their disposal to do this.

Sorry I don't understand what you mean here. Who is "they" - Microsoft or us? What is "this"?

Not to mention 52% of all changes in the linux kernel over the past 2 years come from there devs.
Would it make you feel better if i removed my references to that particular vendor ?

I don't mind you mentioning Microsoft at all. What I have a problem with is the suggestion that we are somehow paid or have some hidden agenda to stop supporting Windows XP. I still use XP myself and I would like to see MP2 support XP too, but I'm keenly aware there are limitations to our resources. The reasons morpheus_xx provided seem very sound to me.

And, I seriously did not see one mention that MP2 would be supported on windows 7 and windows 7 only, maybe it slipped past me. I dont know.
Can you direct me to a post where that was mentioned prior to march ?

Sure. December 2010:
https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/threads/which-version-of-windows-7-for-mp2.90437/

At present I can't find the post or news that comment refers to, but I'm sure somebody will be able to find and link it.

mm

[Edit: mentioned 6 months earlier here:
https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/threads/mediaportal-2-progress-report.83837/page-2#post-632264
...and then again slightly earlier here...
https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/threads/mp-ii-development-progress.71851/page-15#post-623585]

 

[D j]

Well thanks for that.

I guess at the moment my only two MP with PiP server options are..... (the way i see them anyways)


A.) Run a incredibly slimmed down version of windows 7 in a live environment off a hidden partition with IP whitelist on the router side. Along with a DNS publisher.
(And some kind of auto-reboot mechanism.)

B.) Run XP SP2(with the sp3 ""update"") and MP1 on two different servers at the same time.


We could do that i suppose. Still, its hammer meets fly, in my eyes anyways. )

...Let you all know how it goes.

 

[messo001]

i have a funny feeling this is all backed by MS in some way/shape/form

Can I offer you tinfoil hat?

 

[Oxan]

In other news. amazon offers free 2$ mp3 credit to everyone...

That is *totally* unrelated to this. Amazon is a big company that (for example) can easily spend $14 million on top level domains without a direct revenue, while Team MediaPortal relies on the free time of it's developers and donations. I really don't know why you mention this...

@Lightning303

I am one of those developers so no i wouldn't pay myself. Over the past months i've given my time just like everyone else here.
But i did expect some love to go to XP SP2 at some point in time.

Uhm, I haven't seen ONE single line of code originating from you in the MP1 or MP2 plugin codebase, nor have I seen a plugin or skin made by you?

Is that THAT terribly draconian of me ? , By the way XP is not just SOME 10 year old product. Its been given more than its fair lot of hotfixes and patches.
Even to this day microsoft is still releasing hotfixes for it. The last being the certification fix which hit all platforms.

To say its just SOME 10 year old product is just another slap in the face to me. But you guys go ahead and keep knocking down some of the people trying to support you all. Good luck with that.

That's right, XP has received hotfixes and patches. But that doesn't matter from a developer point-of-view: you still have the same 10-year old technology to work with, it just has fewer bugs. We need new technology, not fixed technology.

Oxan

Yea im seriously suggesting that.

Read the rest of my post too then, while people still take you serious...

tourettes

I'm sorry you think that. I'm not trying to disrespect anyone. Especially developers of FOSS.
But you also have to put yourself in my shoes too. After waiting patiently for PiP and the code to "mature" enough. One would have guessed that we could encourage MP to be used on even older hardware not forcing a majority of the userbase to upgrade their (in some cases ENTIRE) setups just for the sake of one app.
To me this looks like we have gone backwards.

I think you miss some important facts here. It's not the majority of the userbase that still uses WinXP, in fact it's a small minority (see upcoming results of the survey). Besides, newer software usually requires newer hardware. Windows XP doesn't run on the 8086 processor anymore either. At some point in time you have to drop support for older hardware and software, to avoid creating the bloatware you hate so much, which eats diskspace and CPU time. In the opinion of the people doing the work, the time to drop support for Windows XP has come. You can argue whether that's a right decision, but until you do the work, nothing will change. And, if you wanted to have an MP2 running on Wine, you should have committed to MP2 years ago when the design decisions where made.

I guess I will be moving on. Just really upset i won't ever have access to PiP i've been waiting since 2009 for. cripts 3 years ? */shakes head/*
That really sucks to wait 2 1/2 years and now being told it won't even be a possibility for us and you guys are totally against it.
I also was looking forward to coding plugins and setting up something similar to boxee's OSD (with access over network) with clickable attributes similar to that of what solarwalk for iOS has. It was something i envisioned since the boxee was released. Now my dream has been killed. MP1 simply does not poses the plugin support for something like this with PiP support.

Maybe this could still be done in MP1 ? Could the PiP includes from MP2 somehow be ported over ?

I haven't seen you doing any work on bringing PiP to MP in the last 2,5 years either? Please try to understand that in FOSS, the people who do the work decide on which platforms it works. If you want PiP on Windows XP, go ahead and port either MP2 to Windows XP or the PiP support to MP1. Nothing is impossible.

@Sebble You know what? i'd love to help code a MP2 that supports XP, however with the wide use of DX10 in MP2 (which isn't nativity supported on XP) i fear my efforts would be in vain.

Somehow, I have a feeling that the PiP support actually uses DX10 (but I don't know for sure).

And yes it is very disappointing* , i've been waiting over 2 years for PiP support. And REALLY Not to mention the entire point of FOSS is to adopt compatibility first not make things even harder to use. wth ?

That is simply not true. The real point of FOSS is to create software that works for the developers, and give the source code away so that people can change it so that it works for them too. FOSS is in no way about compatibility. Also (referring to your IRC chat this morning/night), almost all FOSS projects are run by people who contribute for selfish reasons. Have you contributed to a project you don't use?

All in all we want to help support a FOSS app that is actually making a effort to be universal FIRST and foremost, not cater to any one particular group of people. It would be like me coding firefox for years and years only to have it supported on SuSe, then charging a gargantuan premium tech support cost for it.

sorry if i brought down the mood :-/

That's great, except that you forget again that Mozilla gets millions of dollars a year to work on Firefox, while MediaPortal runs on the spare time of developers and donations. And we don't charge any money for support.

Sorry if you feel like i've insinuated or insulted anything. That is my strong belief. They have every means at their disposal to do this. Not to mention 52% of all changes in the linux kernel over the past 2 years come from there devs.

That is simply not true. Back up your controversial statements with facts please.

Would it make you feel better if i removed my references to that particular vendor ?

It would make me feel better if you stopped insulting my fellow team members who work hard on MP2.

What a pointless argument tho cuz i have a funny feeling this is all backed by MS in some way/shape/form.

Like you have already been told more than one time, stop insinuating this. It's simply not correct.

Unless you stop acting like you deserve some feature (that includes threatening to ban us all on freenode if you could do that!), this will be my final reply to this thread. Unless you actually contribute code, you don't deserve anything at all, the same way we don't deserve any Firefox updates. FOSS is about contributing to get something, not about ranting to get something.

 

[onelegend]

Can I offer you tinfoil hat?

Bigger hat required

 

[netexplorer]

DJ
If PiP support is the most important thing for you, then install DVBViewer which support this and works with Windows XP. Then you can stop to bother the developers here which are doing a great job.