MP2 alpha does NOT and will NOT support Windows XP. (2 Viewers)

[JoeSmith]

situation is quite simple. xp was released in Oktober 2001 and extended support (just security fixes, no bug fixes) will finally end in april 2014. After that using XP on a machine that is connected to the net is not without any risk (ok, its always a risk with every machine that's connected, but i'll guess you know what i mean).
Driver support will no longer be available from all vendors.
And please don't blame Microsoft for stopping support after nearly 13 (!!) years.
In the end they are a company trying to earn money so for me that is still a great support by them.
Too bad that you had problems with 7, but from my experience (corporate enterprise, ~ 1000 machines, now ~500 with 7) i can tell you that 7 is much much easier to deal with than xp. A (freakin) lot less problems. Now combine that with the memory, processor, ... limits that XP (still) has and you'll know that XP is an old piece of software. Don't get me wrong xp was one of the greatest os microsoft has ever made but now the time has finally come to let it rest in peace.
But again this all doesn't really matter. It has been a team decision to drop support for xp to create a better experience. If you don't like w7 then it's totally fine for you - go with it and good luck in 2014.
Still no reason to come here and start trolling. Your accusations are really ridiculous. If you are continuing like this my best advice to you is : go away - nobody will miss you!

 

[zicoz]

https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/threads/mp-ii-development-progress.71851/page-6#post-523644

Discussion from back in 2009.

 

[chefkoch]

Guys stop wasting your time trying to explain it to him
Spent it by testing MP2

 

[D j]

In other news. amazon offers free 2$ mp3 credit to everyone...

That is *totally* unrelated to this. Amazon is a big company that (for example) can easily spend $14 million on top level domains without a direct revenue, while Team MediaPortal relies on the free time of it's developers and donations. I really don't know why you mention this...

@Lightning303

I am one of those developers so no i wouldn't pay myself. Over the past months i've given my time just like everyone else here.
But i did expect some love to go to XP SP2 at some point in time.

I mentioned that to lighten the mood. In contrast I don't know why my post was titled with the text:
" One of the most disappointing things i've heard in all my life "

Was this meant to make my post look bad ? If so i think that was just pretty freakin distasteful.

My references to amazon was in light of their 2$ mp3 per user givaway, and probably at best a lame joke.

Uhm, I haven't seen ONE single line of code originating from you in the MP1 or MP2 plugin codebase, nor have I seen a plugin or skin made by you?

Any you probably won't. I am not a MP2 developer. Nor have i ever worked directly on MP.
However i have made countless contributions to: (and these are just a few) , Mono, Moonlight, Firefox, CouchDB, TwistedMC, XBMC, MythTV , python and perl.
Along with bug reporting and feadback to: FFMPEG, GTK, OpenStreet maps, and waze

Can you reasonably sit back and say i had absolutely nothing to do with MP 's rise to fame ? No i don't think so.
It's developers like me that are the life blood of projects like MP. Without XBMC MP probably would not even exist to begin with.

Is that THAT terribly draconian of me ? , By the way XP is not just SOME 10 year old product. Its been given more than its fair lot of hotfixes and patches.
Even to this day microsoft is still releasing hotfixes for it. The last being the certification fix which hit all platforms.

To say its just SOME 10 year old product is just another slap in the face to me. But you guys go ahead and keep knocking down some of the people trying to support you all. Good luck with that.

That's right, XP has received hotfixes and patches. But that doesn't matter from a developer point-of-view: you still have the same 10-year old technology to work with, it just has fewer bugs. We need new technology, not fixed technology.

See you just contradicted yourself right there.
Take a look at just how many times DirectX has been updated to include XP compatibility. Silverlight, Internet explorer, media center so on and so forth.

Oxan

Yea im seriously suggesting that.

Read the rest of my post too then, while people still take you serious...

What the hell is that supposed to mean ? cmon why do you keep taking pop shots at me ?
Who's "people" anyways ?
Not a great way to treat someone new to this forum suggesting no one would take me seriously.

tourettes

I'm sorry you think that. I'm not trying to disrespect anyone. Especially developers of FOSS.
But you also have to put yourself in my shoes too. After waiting patiently for PiP and the code to "mature" enough. One would have guessed that we could encourage MP to be used on even older hardware not forcing a majority of the userbase to upgrade their (in some cases ENTIRE) setups just for the sake of one app.
To me this looks like we have gone backwards.

I think you miss some important facts here. It's not the majority of the userbase that still uses WinXP, in fact it's a small minority (see upcoming results of the survey). Besides, newer software usually requires newer hardware. Windows XP doesn't run on the 8086 processor anymore either. At some point in time you have to drop support for older hardware and software, to avoid creating the bloatware you hate so much, which eats diskspace and CPU time. In the opinion of the people doing the work, the time to drop support for Windows XP has come. You can argue whether that's a right decision, but until you do the work, nothing will change. And, if you wanted to have an MP2 running on Wine, you should have committed to MP2 years ago when the design decisions where made.

I really disagree with you there. I work in a office environment with over 30,000 employees.
I can not think of a single person near in or around me that would CHOOSE to use windows vista or windows 7/8 as a everyday rock solid system.
As a matter of fact every person around me currently is using windows xp with SP2 exclusively. Even with some of the most modern laptops.
And in 1 rare case ubuntu on a dell laptop sitting 10 feet from me.

I guess I will be moving on. Just really upset i won't ever have access to PiP i've been waiting since 2009 for. cripts 3 years ? */shakes head/*
That really sucks to wait 2 1/2 years and now being told it won't even be a possibility for us and you guys are totally against it.
I also was looking forward to coding plugins and setting up something similar to boxee's OSD (with access over network) with clickable attributes similar to that of what solarwalk for iOS has. It was something i envisioned since the boxee was released. Now my dream has been killed. MP1 simply does not poses the plugin support for something like this with PiP support.

Maybe this could still be done in MP1 ? Could the PiP includes from MP2 somehow be ported over ?

I haven't seen you doing any work on bringing PiP to MP in the last 2,5 years either? Please try to understand that in FOSS, the people who do the work decide on which platforms it works. If you want PiP on Windows XP, go ahead and port either MP2 to Windows XP or the PiP support to MP1. Nothing is impossible.

@Sebble You know what? i'd love to help code a MP2 that supports XP, however with the wide use of DX10 in MP2 (which isn't nativity supported on XP) i fear my efforts would be in vain.

Somehow, I have a feeling that the PiP support actually uses DX10 (but I don't know for sure).

I'd like some clarification on that 2+ years is a long time to wait with no actual answer.

And yes it is very disappointing* , i've been waiting over 2 years for PiP support. And REALLY Not to mention the entire point of FOSS is to adopt compatibility first not make things even harder to use. wth ?

That is simply not true. The real point of FOSS is to create software that works for the developers, and give the source code away so that people can change it so that it works for them too. FOSS is in no way about compatibility. Also (referring to your IRC chat this morning/night), almost all FOSS projects are run by people who contribute for selfish reasons. Have you contributed to a project you don't use?

I really don't know about you but none of my contributions in open source have never been for selfish reasons. I update FOSS projects for the betterment of all mankind. You have some pretty perverse rationalization if you believe that everyone publishes FOSS apps for shear profitability or prestige.

As for contributing to projects i do not use. Yes absolutely. Firefox being the king of them all (TwistedMC another). I have contributed thousands of changes to it and since 2009 since mozilla changed its enterprise policies i haven't touched either. WAZE being the other. Since waze went closed source as of version 2.4 and the main developer removed essential build scripts from the published source I have not installed it on a single mobile device and removed it from devices i previously installed it on. But now i still make contributions to it.

Just because i don't use a application doesn't mean i don't support it. I want others to succeed just like i have.
It would be a pretty piss poor world if everyone around me was miserable ALL the time.

All in all we want to help support a FOSS app that is actually making a effort to be universal FIRST and foremost, not cater to any one particular group of people. It would be like me coding firefox for years and years only to have it supported on SuSe, then charging a gargantuan premium tech support cost for it.

sorry if i brought down the mood :-/

That's great, except that you forget again that Mozilla gets millions of dollars a year to work on Firefox, while MediaPortal runs on the spare time of developers and donations. And we don't charge any money for support.

You can't be serious.
If i had millions of dollars or saw even one percentage of what mozilla gets in partnerships or donations i would not be here having this argument with you.
I would probably hire my own army of developers to fork my own version of XBMC to windows with PiP feature sets.

Sorry if you feel like i've insinuated or insulted anything. That is my strong belief. They have every means at their disposal to do this. Not to mention 52% of all changes in the linux kernel over the past 2 years come from there devs.

That is simply not true. Back up your controversial statements with facts please.

Would it make you feel better if i removed my references to that particular vendor ?

It would make me feel better if you stopped insulting my fellow team members who work hard on MP2.

What a pointless argument tho cuz i have a funny feeling this is all backed by MS in some way/shape/form.

Like you have already been told more than one time, stop insinuating this. It's simply not correct.

Unless you stop acting like you deserve some feature (that includes threatening to ban us all on freenode if you could do that!), this will be my final reply to this thread. Unless you actually contribute code, you don't deserve anything at all, the same way we don't deserve any Firefox updates. FOSS is about contributing to get something, not about ranting to get something.

I'm not going to give you any more fuel for you to tell me to stop insinuating something that isn't even worth arguing about.
Just read here. Just for starters.

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/...eloper-made-the-most-changes-to-linux-30-code


Maybe media portal shouldn't even be opensource to begin with ? Really what is the point ?
You say its so that users can take the published code and use it for there own purposes ?
I say you are giving people a value meal and telling them they can't eat the meat but they can have all the lettuce they want.

 

[Spragleknas]

Not sure why the thread title is what it is, but you should be able to change it yourself, or you can PM me what you'd like it to be.

To be honest, though, I'm kinda hoping this thread will die soon....

 

[D j]

Spragleknas

Thanks for finally chiming in. So can you elaborate on what parts of DX10 and .NET4 are being utilized in MP2 ?

ps: i will edit the title and save you the work load.

 

[chefkoch]

I mentioned that to lighten the mood. In contrast I don't know why my post was titled with the text:
" One of the most disappointing things i've heard in all my life "

Was this meant to make my post look bad ? If so i think that was just pretty freakin distasteful.

I moved the posts to separate thread, because the discussion went offtopic and was not related to MP2-Alpha anymore and I had to specify a title.

This is the most disappointing things i've heard in all of my life.

You wrote that in your first post. Yeah I thought it is funny and that it exactly fits the way the discussion is being done.

Thanks for finally chiming in. So can you elaborate on what parts of DX10 and .NET4 are being utilized in MP2 ?

Sorry that you missed that post which explained that already. Here it is:

SkinEngine and VideoPlayers are using Direct9Ex interfaces that are present in Windows 7 only.

So feel free to fork MP2 at github and make those components XP compatible. There will be many users, which might be happy to be able to use it on XP.

Cheers,
Tommy

 

[Oxan]

I'm not going to give you any more fuel for you to tell me to stop insinuating something that isn't even worth arguing about.
Just read here. Just for starters.

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/...eloper-made-the-most-changes-to-linux-30-code

I'll just answer to this single point, as I've more important things to do (such as actually writing code instead of insulting the people who do that) and it brilliantly shows your ignorance and exaggeration. The actual source of that article is this lwn.net article. If you actually read that article, you'll see that Microsoft only contributed 4.0% of the changes between 2.6.39 and 3.0, which isn't close to the number of changes by independent developers (12%), RedHat (11.1%) or Intel (9.3%), and doesn't even approach the 52% you mentioned.

This seems to be pretty much a proof that you can't be taken seriously. We take newcomers here seriously, but not when they start to ridicule themselves like this.

EDIT:
One last thing I noticed;

As for contributing to projects i do not use. Yes absolutely. Firefox being the king of them all (TwistedMC another). I have contributed thousands of changes to it and since 2009 since mozilla changed its enterprise policies i haven't touched either.

And right there you imply that you were using Firefox while you contributed to it, thus saying that you contribute for selfish reasons too.

 

[D j]

I'm not going to give you any more fuel for you to tell me to stop insinuating something that isn't even worth arguing about.
Just read here. Just for starters.

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/...eloper-made-the-most-changes-to-linux-30-code

I'll just answer to this single point, as I've more important things to do (such as actually writing code instead of insulting the people who do that) and it brilliantly shows your ignorance and exaggeration. The actual source of that article is this lwn.net article. If you actually read that article, you'll see that Microsoft only contributed 4.0% of the changes between 2.6.39 and 3.0, which isn't close to the number of changes by independent developers (12%), RedHat (11.1%) or Intel (9.3%), and doesn't even approach the 52% you mentioned.

This seems to be pretty much a proof that you can't be taken seriously. We take newcomers here seriously, but not when they start to ridicule themselves like this.

EDIT:
One last thing I noticed;

As for contributing to projects i do not use. Yes absolutely. Firefox being the king of them all (TwistedMC another). I have contributed thousands of changes to it and since 2009 since mozilla changed its enterprise policies i haven't touched either.

And right there you imply that you were using Firefox while you contributed to it, thus saying that you contribute for selfish reasons too.

You're mincing words with me now. You are not taking into account the hundreds of other employees from said vendor that have submitted at last count over 300 patches to the linux kernel.

AND There is nothing selfish about my current feadback and changes pushed to firefox when i am NOT currently using it.

There isn't anything selfish about that(THIS).
You sound like a madman trying to defend a holy goat REALLY. cmon now, Put the knife down!

STOP dude really. I came here with open arms and completely willing to help progress MP2.
In no way am i trying to sabotage it.

 

[Paranoid Delusion]

This thread is now closed, the information regarding why XP is not being supported in MP2 has been explained.

Please take this as final.