Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: My Films 5.1 released (19.09.2011) - V5.1.0.1468 (MP 1.2.0)
I think DB item is fine and should be much clearer to users, and yes the tooltip is very clear
Great.
I can imagine! I expect certain parts are more obvious to certain users, depending on where they're coming from and it's obviously not possible to make a interface that's ideal for every user.
That should certainly help. I can see it's not easy to not highlight a non-mandatory field...that sometimes is mandatory. Maybe a third colour (joking!).
Whilst the tooltip should help, it might be even more clear if you renamed "Movie Path Configuration" to something like "Movie Search Config (only used if file can't be found using DB Item)" as that would make it clear that the whole section is redundant if the DB item data is correct, as at the moment you see "Movie Path Configuration" and "Path for Movies File Search" and think this must be where you tell MyFilms where you keep your files. I realise now this is actually done on the Internet Grabbing tab under Movie Scan Path(s) but that's not obvious when you first start using MyFilms (it probably doesn't help having this on the Internet Grabbing tab, as the AMCupdater settings are not needed just for Internet Grabbing, but also for adding new files to the database) . Perhaps swapping over the "Search by Movie's Name" and "Path for Movies File Search" lines would help as well, as then the former (along with it's informative tooltip) would be at the top of the section.
To be honest, I totally overlooked the little box that says "Yellow fields are mandatory for the plugin to work"
Although now I've seen it, I'm wondering if there's a better way to word it, as to me (and it may just be me) that suggests that "the plugin will work with only the yellow fields completed, but the other fields may still need to be completed for certain functions to work" so it doesn't really tell me I can ignore the white fields. It only seems to apply to the General tab anyway, as all the fields are white on the other tabs, but clearly Trailers won't work if it's set incorrectly (or to none) and the same goes for Internet grabbing, Artwork, etc, although in many cases the defaults will be correct and thus no changes will be needed. Hmm, maybe a third colour's not such a bad idea, Yellow for Vital, something else for important and white for optional/not important. However, I think your idea of hiding away some of the less important options is better and will probably negate the need to consider extra colouring
Sounds great
I agree that offline is the important part and most users understand (or can soon learn to understand) what that means.
It may be that the vast majority of users don't use the Borrower field in AMC so obviously it's more convenient to have Trailer default to use it for them. I just think it's important to avoid the risk of ruining the databases of those users who do use Borrower for it's original purpose, particularly as this setting is not on the main tab or prominent so could be overlooked. There's clearly no room to move it to the main tab and put a warning there about it though, so it seems like the safest option is to default it to none. I'm interested to see what other users think though.
That would be great. I'm not going to have a lot of time to play with it before Christmas, as I'm busy putting together a MP HTPC for my brother so I can give him a little hands-on tutorial when he comes down, but it will still help to have the latest version when I do have the odd bit of time to play.
Ah, thanks for the tip. Does this then observe the "don't use default script" setting though, as I think that would be a bit annoying if I've added more than 1-2 films to my HD? If so, perhaps it's possible to make this setting only apply when updating individual films, and not when doing an import, which would be the best of both worlds.
Thanks, sounds like a good approach and I'm sure you've saved me a lot of experimenting by explaining it
I had a look in the rest of the setup - and it is always named "DB item" - so I renamed it to that now for consistency. If we change ti to field (ok for me too), we'd have to change it everywhere else too. ALso checked tooltip and it makes purpose imho understandable But I can always add/change that, if there is better suggestions of course.
I think DB item is fine and should be much clearer to users, and yes the tooltip is very clear
Done - wiki now recommends "Source" field.
Great.
Yes, it's hard to keep track with all the different uses cases different users do use - and even harder to make that understandable and put it into a nice setup with an interface that is not too much confusing ;-)
I can imagine! I expect certain parts are more obvious to certain users, depending on where they're coming from and it's obviously not possible to make a interface that's ideal for every user.
Fixed typo and added note to tooltip that the parameter is optional and only required, if no full pathes are available in source info.
Already tried to make that obvious by not giving that field the yellow color for mandatory fields ;-) - however, for a user, that would not use the source field at all, this fields again would be mandatory to be set.
That should certainly help. I can see it's not easy to not highlight a non-mandatory field...that sometimes is mandatory. Maybe a third colour (joking!).
Whilst the tooltip should help, it might be even more clear if you renamed "Movie Path Configuration" to something like "Movie Search Config (only used if file can't be found using DB Item)" as that would make it clear that the whole section is redundant if the DB item data is correct, as at the moment you see "Movie Path Configuration" and "Path for Movies File Search" and think this must be where you tell MyFilms where you keep your files. I realise now this is actually done on the Internet Grabbing tab under Movie Scan Path(s) but that's not obvious when you first start using MyFilms (it probably doesn't help having this on the Internet Grabbing tab, as the AMCupdater settings are not needed just for Internet Grabbing, but also for adding new files to the database) . Perhaps swapping over the "Search by Movie's Name" and "Path for Movies File Search" lines would help as well, as then the former (along with it's informative tooltip) would be at the top of the section.
To be honest, I totally overlooked the little box that says "Yellow fields are mandatory for the plugin to work"
You're right, the tooltip was confusing - updated.
Item renamed to "Offline Media Identification Item" - as it's mostly not files (it can though), but media like DVDs BRs, etc. I think "offline" is the keywork, that makes it much clearer...
Sounds great
I have no personal preference for that - so please more feedback from users, if it should default to "none".
It may be that the vast majority of users don't use the Borrower field in AMC so obviously it's more convenient to have Trailer default to use it for them. I just think it's important to avoid the risk of ruining the databases of those users who do use Borrower for it's original purpose, particularly as this setting is not on the main tab or prominent so could be overlooked. There's clearly no room to move it to the main tab and put a warning there about it though, so it seems like the safest option is to default it to none. I'm interested to see what other users think though.
It might take some more time - if you feel you want to play with a developer version (and verify the changes done to your suggestions ;-)) - drop me a PM and I send you a link to current developer version.
That would be great. I'm not going to have a lot of time to play with it before Christmas, as I'm busy putting together a MP HTPC for my brother so I can give him a little hands-on tutorial when he comes down, but it will still help to have the latest version when I do have the odd bit of time to play.
You can also launch an import from inside MyFilms GUI via global updates - this will perform an AMCupdater import run in the background.
Ah, thanks for the tip. Does this then observe the "don't use default script" setting though, as I think that would be a bit annoying if I've added more than 1-2 films to my HD? If so, perhaps it's possible to make this setting only apply when updating individual films, and not when doing an import, which would be the best of both worlds.
All that is of course a question of personal taste and many ppl have different approaches.
When using AMCupdater, it imho depends, if you're importing lots of movies or only a few.
For only a few, interactive mode is just fine, as you can nicely verify and be sure, the correct one is selected.
For importing lots of movies, I would recommend once running a noninteractive import, but let AMCupdater not ask for unsure matches, but also NOT import those movies. After this you can just do another import, that will only have movies that couldn't be matched before, in interactive mode (ask, if no match) - and do selection as you like.
In latest AMCupdater version I added cover thumbs to the result list and AKA titles in the title field flyover.
Thanks, sounds like a good approach and I'm sure you've saved me a lot of experimenting by explaining it
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