No DXVA under MePo with PDVD 10; PDVD11 not working (1 Viewer)

[hoborg]

Re: Only 25 FPS with PowerDVD 10

But why would I need SAF6 for that?

Becouse SAF setup all automatically for you, that is all.

All this might be moot anyway sometime in the future. We plan on setting up Windows 7 x64 on that system instead of the old WinXP installation . We also have a nasty issue with Catalyst on that system. Due to some horrendous bug we are currently unable to go past Catalyst 10.11.

Again - reconsider to get better GPU, EVR (and whole Win7) need even more powerfull one. 3200 is (sorry for that) crap. I had one myself

 

[Spooky]

Re: Only 25 FPS with PowerDVD 10

Becouse SAF setup all automatically for you, that is all.

Well, what settings do you mean? Does SAF do any settings for PDVD other than the ones you can set in PowerDVD itself or via the MePo configuration interface? Hardware acceleration is activated (for both SD and HD content) there. As it was with PDVD9, where everything was still ok at one point.

Again - reconsider to get better GPU, EVR (and whole Win7) need even more powerfull one. 3200 is (sorry for that) crap. I had one myself

Indeed, but again, it would only be needed for 1080i content. The 3200 can decode 576i and 720p just fine, even under Windows 7. I have another HTPC with only an 3200 myself. However, with Aero activated, the driver automatically deactivates adaptive deinterlacing, since the 3200 does indeed not have enough performance with Aero activated to do adaptive deinterlacing even for 576i content (or so the driver makes us believe at least). You simply need to deactivate Aero in order to get adaptive hardware deinterlacing.

Although I am not sure if the driver still refuses to give you VA then and only gives you MA when Aero is deactivated. So that could still be a reason to upgrade, if VA is not available but desired even for SD content.

 

[hoborg]

Re: Only 25 FPS with PowerDVD 10

You simply need to deactivate Aero in order to get adaptive hardware deinterlacing. Although I am not sure if the driver still refuses to give you VA then and only gives you MA when Aero is deactivated.

With deactivated AERO, you wont be able to have vsync enabled = you will have tearing problem, no matter if it is forced in CCC.

About SAF - whole SAF6 install script have 160kB, i don't remember all settings, sorry

 

[Spooky]

Re: Only 25 FPS with PowerDVD 10

With deactivated AERO, you wont be able to have vsync enabled = you will have tearing problem, no matter if it is forced in CCC.

Oh, didn't know that, thx, didn't even notice it yet on my system, hmm.

About SAF - whole SAF6 install script have 160kB, i don't remember all settings, sorry

It's not about the size, it's partially a matter of principle and partially a matter of me not liking some of your settings or at least ffdshow settings, which I could change of course though. I mean no disrespect of course . It's just that I only want to install the codecs and settings that I need. i.e. manually registering the PDVD codec, manually installing ffdshow with some of your settings, manually installing graph studio if needed etc. In my opinion SAF comes with too much stuff that is not needed, or not needed for me. But even more importantly: SAF also installs MPC-HC with its own settings, which will overwrite the settings of an existing MPC-HC installation, if that MPC-HC installation is not configured to save the settigns in an ini file in the installation directory.



Btw. we just checked: BiCompression does indeed say YUY2. However, we couldn't find the properties you were talking about. It didn't make a difference whether you doubleclick on the PDVD codec with or without holding right-ctrl. There is no DXVA info in the properties page.

 

[hoborg]

Re: Only 25 FPS with PowerDVD 10

Btw. we just checked: BiCompression does indeed say YUY2. However, we couldn't find the properties you were talking about. It didn't make a difference whether you doubleclick on the PDVD codec with or without holding right-ctrl. There is no DXVA info in the properties page.

Oh, it does not work with connected graphstudio.
Just open your video directly in Graphstudio - it will be working. Jut make sure you replace default video renderer by VMR9 one to make DXVA working (this is one think that SAF do automatically for you).

 

[Spooky]

Re: Only 25 FPS with PowerDVD 10

Btw. I forgot to mention: we did have SAF5 installed on the system at one point (unlocked version). The problem exists even with SAF5. I posted it in the SAF5 thread back then: https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/...w-dxva-decoder-77591/index179.html#post670398 , but later decided to make a separate thread for it, since the issue does not seem to be SAF related.

Oh, it does not work with connected graphstudio.
Just open your video directly in Graphstudio - it will be working. Jut make sure you replace default video renderer by VMR9 one to make DXVA working (this is one think that SAF do automatically for you).

Ok, I have done the following now: I opened a Media Portal recording (.ts file) in graph studio. I deleted the ffdshow video codec and the default VMR Output, then I inserted the PDVD10 codec and the VMR9 codec and I connected everything appropriately. When I open the properties of the PDVD10, I can see in the first section ("Settings") under "Miscellaneous", that DXVA is active. When I go into the properties of the VMR9 output, under VMR Input0, I see 0x41565844 [DXVA] under biCompression.

But what does that tell us? It seems that, when opening a video file and building the graph with the PDVD10 codec and VMR9 in graphstudio, I get DXVA. However, when Media Portal builds the graph, it is built without DXVA. Why could this happen?


Sidenote: When I added the PDVD10 codec in graphstudio, before connecting it to anything, I noticed that in the properties of the codec under "Settings" - "Miscellaneous", SW was active instead of DXVA. After connecting it DXVA was active automatically. But I guess that does not mean anything, since the codec didn't have an input yet.


Regarding my problem with PDVD11: I noticed that I can't connect the Video out pin of a loaded .ts file in graphstudio with the Video In pin of the PDVD11 codec.

 

[hoborg]

Re: Only 25 FPS with PowerDVD 10

]Ok, I have done the following now: I opened a Media Portal recording (.ts file) in graph studio. I deleted the ffdshow video codec and the default VMR Output, then I inserted the PDVD10 codec and the VMR9 codec and I connected everything appropriately. When I open the properties of the PDVD10, I can see in the first section ("Settings") under "Miscellaneous", that DXVA is active. When I go into the properties of the VMR9 output, under VMR Input0, I see 0x41565844 [DXVA] under biCompression.

That is exactly what i was talking about.
I think the problem is your GPU, it simply does not have enought power to handle MePo + DXVA. MePo itself need lot of GPU power to load textures, etc.
I bet if you use for example GB-PVR to play your files, all well be working correctly.

 

[Spooky]

Re: Only 25 FPS with PowerDVD 10

That is exactly what i was talking about.
I think the problem is your GPU, it simply does not have enought power to handle MePo + DXVA. MePo itself need lot of GPU power to load textures, etc.
I bet if you use for example GB-PVR to play your files, all well be working correctly.

No, that is definitely not the problem. It does work with PowerDVD 9. It also works on my other system with a Radeon HD 3200. And it also works with ffdshow in Media Portal. The Radeon HD 3200 has more than enough power under Windows XP and under Media Portal for Vector Adaptive Deinterlacing of 576i content.

I bet if you use for example GB-PVR to play your files, all well be working correctly.

That will definitely be the case. But it's not because the GPU does not have enough power.


Also the GPU not having enough power manifests itself in performance problems when rendering video within Media Portal. It shouldn't manifest itself with an inability to build the graph with DXVA. The driver even restricts automatically available deinterlacing modes if the GPU does not have enough power.

Furthermore, with PDVD9 and 10, I can even decode 1080i in Hardware, but with only 44 FPS instead of 50 FPS on systems with a Radeon HD 3200 within Media Portal. Just to illustrate that even in cases, where the GPU does in fact not have enough power, DXVA will still work, just with insufficient performance.

 

[hoborg]

You are not alone with that issue, more iGPU 3200 users already saw that. I bet if you will use older MePo, or better GPU, PDVD DXVA will work for you again.
There was some code chage in MePo that increased GPU power req.

But if PDVD9 DXVA is working for you, stay on that and be happy

As a workaround i use FFDshow for MEPG-2 set to output as NV12 - thanks to this you will have 50FPS and HW deinterlacing.
The problem is that MePo doesnot like this and cause A/V delay.
This doesnot happend with other MS demultiplexer, so for example Gb-PVR/NPVR working just fine with FFDshow as MPEG-2 decoder.

 

[Spooky]

You are not alone with that issue, more iGPU 3200 users already saw that. I bet if you will use older MePo, or better GPU, PDVD DXVA will work for you again.
There was some code chage in MePo that increased GPU power req.

Hmm, before I switched to Windows 7 on the system with a Radeon HD 3200, I used PDVD10 there too and I didn't have an issue with it. I am suspecting something obscure happened on this system, that is causing this problem .

But if PDVD9 DXVA is working for you, stay on that and be happy

I do not remember unfortunately why we had to switch in the first place. Hm.. maybe I'll find an old PDVD9 trial again and try that.

As a workaround i use FFDshow for MEPG-2 set to output as NV12 - thanks to this you will have 50FPS and HW deinterlacing.
The problem is that MePo doesnot like this and cause A/V delay.

Yeah I know, this is very unfortunate. Would make live much easier


// ha, was finally able to fix it, by adding this to the registry

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cyberlink\Common\CLCVD\MediaPortal]
"UIUseHVA"=dword:00000001
"UIVMode"=dword:00000001

Now I have DXVA with PDVD10. But I do wonder why I had to do that? I see in the registry, that these entries (among much more) were present for graphstudio.


Now if someone could help me figure out, why the PDVD11 codec does not work at all . But I guess I should let it rest now with PDVD10 (or make another thread about it some time else )