[nonafo] - !!!!overscan friendly with latest SVN!!!!! (1 Viewer)

[mofux]

yeah, i'll upload nonafo source these days

 

[CHli]

yeah, i'll upload nonafo source these days

So cool ! Thanks

 

[RubaDuck7]

- The distance between the icons and the explanatory text on top makes new users have to look around to verify what they are selecting.

it's been a hard design decision to do it this way, but believe me, it would look crappy if there was text under each button. and after some time using the skin you will quickly learn where to select what

Yeah, I see what you mean. Even though I still stand by what I said, better icons (as you already mentioned) will make this less of an issue.

- The current way of hilighting the selected item is the same color as the nonselected items, and the ball in the middle hides a large part of the icon. I.e. your covering up the item the user is sure to look at. Perhaps removing the ball and fading the circle around the nonselected items would be enough?

not a bad idea... i'll give it a try

Cool.

- Some of the icons are hard to associate with their target. For instance, you've got that cool retro TV on the TV screen, yet you have a closeup of a plain, black remote on the home screen. Use that TV as much as possible! The radio icon is so close up that it's hard to tell what it is.

yeah, the new icons are a step back from the older nonafo releases, and i'm sorry for that. i haven't created them on my own (i'm a really bad icon creator) and introduced them because i needed to make the process of autogenerating the homescreen more easy. in the previous version there was an image for selected / unselected state for EACH button. you can imagine what a hard work it would be for users to set it up correctly or create new icons/iconsets. but hey - if anyone has cool iconsets to offer i'd like to have a look on them!

So if I want to test out other icons on my system, it's just a question of replacing the existing ones in your skin directory?

- The background on the weather screen seems to be optimized for the 4 day forecast. The dark boxes look out of place if you view just a single day.

yeah, i know about this one. unforunately i can't do anything against it without disturbing the 4 day forecast (and i really like it as it is now)...

But it seems to work well enough in Project Mayhem III. Oh well, you probably display different amounts of information. Btw, the date & time at the top of the My Weather screen seems to be of questionable value, but this is probably more of a general MP issue. I wrote a separate post about it here: https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/viewtopic.php?t=16404 (the one from Sun Jul 02)

- When listening to radio, the channel logo is displayed on top of a CD case, as if it was a normal music track. Just displaying the logo would make more sense

that's also a problem with the skinning engine. radio seems to use the "music overlay" and that's the one with the cd-case. so if i change it to have no cd-case also music wouldn't have it you see the problem?

I do. Hopefully we get some more flexibility in the engine. The current engine seems to focus on the type of content (music, video...) instead of context (music album, radio...). Context is more important in HTPC-type apps IMHO. Btw, do you do some kind of alpha-blending between the album cover and CD case pictures? All my album art seems to display some faint transparency on top of the CD case, especially the dark pictures.

- The on-screen keyboard still has the BlueTwo look.

as far as i know this can't be changed by a skinner - the keyboard should look the same in other skins as well...

An oversight in the skinning engine then. Now, how do we get someone to fix this...?

- Selecting 'Play CD' on the music screen has the same effect as selecting 'Shares'. Selecting 'Play CD' on the 'Shares' screen *does* start playing the CD. Btw, something like 'Library' seems more natural a term than 'Shares' here.

the "Play CD" button is a placeholder until we have the functionality to link an action for playing a CD... so this behaviour is planned and not a bug...

You're giving me the old 'this behavior is by design' routine, eh? Do you know that this action is coming?
Btw, do you know if it's currently technically feasible to have the "Play DVD" and "Play CD" commands only show up when there's something to play? For instance, having "Play DVD" available on the main screen when all it gives you is a black screen seems a bit odd.

- The List view for music, videos etc does not display a text for each item when the focus is on the command list on the left. Also, for consistency, shouldn't the 'hilight box' around the selected list item be rounded at one end to match the selection style when using the Big Icon List?

can't do anything against that as well - limitation of the skinning engine...
about the round selection style... i don't think it would look that good (there are several lines sometimes it would look confusing with too many round endings)

Weird. How can the list being in a state where you only see icons but no texts (the text being the main benefit of a list view) be default behavior? IMHO, you fade texts too much when they do not have the focus. The small text sizes used, combined with low contrast makes things hard to read.

- When using the Big Icons view, the selected folder icon is clipped at the top.

in what view / section of mediaportal does this happen? but i think i can't do anything against this as well

It happens whenever selecting a folder in the top row, when exploring shares.

- The small, simple icons used on the TV screen (i.e. the one with the retro TV) are not easily understood just by looking on them. The name of the selected command just above the icons or...something... might help.

hmm, yeah, i tried this... but togglebuttons doesn't seem to have the #selectedbutton property - so i can't display thier text in a label
but it's the same as on the homescreen - you will get used to it and if you have a closer look they will make sense to you, hehe

Sure, I've deciphered them. But the fact remains that in their current form, the symbols are not obvious enough to non-technical users or pretty much anyone who isn't very familiar with MP (and knows what functions to expect in MyTV). So while texts may not be currently possible, more obvious icons would be a step in the right direction.


In the MiniEPG, would it be possible to show how far along the current show is with a progressbar or text <ELAPSEDTIME>/<TOTALTIME>? The current percentage display is very strange.

And of course: any new version on the horizon?

 

[Callifo]

I was just having a play today and gave this skin another try (got a new LCD TV so no overscan problem now ) and noticed the recording page is missing?

I click on a show in the tvguide and it comes up with a background saying "Under Construction"?

Edit: Just noticed there is no right clicking in Recorded Shows, Scheduled Shows
Edit Edit : Seems like theres no right clicking with my MCE2005 remote, so it must be differently mapped in 0200final.

 

[pocketpal]

Not only does this happen for recording TV, but also on some of the Settings screens and My Programs... probably others, too. There's been no word on this skin for some time -- did the author lose interest? If so, it's a shame, because it's the nicest skin out there, IMHO.

 

[Callifo]

I ended up fixing it myself for the time being because it seems the best skin imho. The actual MyTv section though can be a confusing though as under the TV screen, there is no words on the buttons. Also if you have the tv auto-on in config, the tv window appears over the EPG.

 

[mofux]

no worries - i'm still working on nonafo maybe i'll post an update these days...

there were some code-changes in cvs belonging the skin-engine which might make nonafo look ugly with the latest svn. this is cleaned up now and will be posted here soon!

 

[Hawkeye]

Also if you have the tv auto-on in config, the tv window appears over the EPG.

Yeah, that'S really annoying and slows the epg down (at least on my system).

 

[RubaDuck7]

Come on, mofux, give us your latest masterpiece.


Btw, I just got a brand new 42" rear-projection TV for the living room and decided to take the plunge and move the HTPC there as well. So far I have been tweaking MP with the PC connected to an LCD monitor.

My first observation was that most the texts in Nonafo are really small when viewed on the TV, even one which is relatively large-ish. I'm running the TV at 1280x720 resolution and viewing distance is 3,5-4m.
Compared to the default MCE (i.e. the app, not the MP skin) text size for instance, Nonafo is very small. I'm aware that this isn't a 16:9 skin. Is the textsize in the skin files fixed? I.e. on higher resolutions, does the text not scale up?

Also, the lack of text labels for some buttons keeps PM III leading by a nose in the popularity contest among the rest of the family.

 

[zag2me]

This skin would get my vote for default MP skin, as on the front page.