[no Bug] Serveral problems tvservice since rc2/3/4/5 (3 Viewers)

[JackTramiel]

AW: Serveral problems tvservice since rc2/3/4/5

You wrote since rcx. How does it work installing an older version? Especially 1.0.2 stable on your xp system?

 

[Paranoid Delusion]

Can I just add that most problems we encountered in past years have also involved flaky drivers or some other software installed, ie codecs.

These can be a real pain to pinpoint, as they may not even relate to anything MP is doing at the time of any crash etc.

Look how many people are reporting stuttering tv playback, whether it is SD or HD, firstly i would say they have a hardware\driver\windows issue to fully explore, especially with SD playback which should be bullet proof.

I'm a engineer and if someone asked me to do a long distance diagnosis, I would decline, logs help give us info when MP goes wrong, but if it is a system problem, then we are stuffed.

First of all I would say to anyone, does the TV card work fine with its own software, full playback and record, if alls well, then hopefully it will work correctly with MediaPortal.

Regards

 

[joostzilla]

Furthermore, until you officially abandon support of XP, you simply can not allow not to have any system running on XP in the testing/debugging team.

Well, the team is constantly scouring the forums for new testers who consistently provide good bug reports, try to fix problems and help others. We do not do this by OS. There is definitely an argument for identifying gaps in our testing ability and trying to remedy them.

Okay, question. Is anyone using Windows XP and has a really stable TV experience?

I'm not sure I will get an answer to that, because people tend to hang out in the bug report forum and read these threads only if they are having trouble.

It's a bit difficult for anyone to dictate to the team that they must have a certain OS for developing/testing, because we all buy our own hardware and make our own choices based on a number of factors, including stability.

Windows XP does not support multiple TV cards without a hack from Windows MCE. Already you are making the OS do something that it was never intended (by Microsoft) to do. When I was using XP, I didn't have any major problems, but that was a while ago, and I don't doubt that problems MIGHT have been introduced.

If we could identify XP as the one common factor between the reports of TV instability, then hopefully we will be able to find someone who can identify the cause of the problems and help. If we can find users who have XP and no problems, we might be able to find a hardware/software configuration that works well.

Right now, we do have a few people reporting problems, but how many is it? Two or three, or twenty or thirty?

I'm not trying to trivialise the problem, but the team do need to bear in mind the risk of trying to fix a problem versus the risk of introducing more problems.

Mark

I am having troubles with live tv and using XP. And mostly since rc2. But I dare not say it's because of MP. It could be the provider 'Ziggo' in the Netherlands, it could be XP, MP, codecs, drivers or all of the above. Problem is that the problems started with the updating of MP. Without changing the pc configuration. That's a problem many seem to share. If it worked fine before why doesn't it now? Very frustrating.

 

[elliottmc]

I am having troubles with live tv and using XP. And mostly since rc2. But I dare not say it's because of MP. It could be the provider 'Ziggo' in the Netherlands, it could be XP, MP, codecs, drivers or all of the above. Problem is that the problems started with the updating of MP. Without changing the pc configuration. That's a problem many seem to share. If it worked fine before why doesn't it now? Very frustrating.

Hi,

Does 1.0.2 still work fine for you? I guess this is ultimately going to be the best comparison.

Mark

 

[joostzilla]

I am having troubles with live tv and using XP. And mostly since rc2. But I dare not say it's because of MP. It could be the provider 'Ziggo' in the Netherlands, it could be XP, MP, codecs, drivers or all of the above. Problem is that the problems started with the updating of MP. Without changing the pc configuration. That's a problem many seem to share. If it worked fine before why doesn't it now? Very frustrating.

Hi,

Does 1.0.2 still work fine for you? I guess this is ultimately going to be the best comparison.

Mark

Do I really have to try
I am very reluctant to revert back to 1.0.2. As long as my system does not crash in tvguide i will keep my family happy by not tweaking too much right now (world cup and all). And... the last two times i re-installed MP the problem came from my cable provider
I'd rather keep searching for the current and upcoming final version to work flawless than reverting back.

 

[elliottmc]

I am having troubles with live tv and using XP. And mostly since rc2. But I dare not say it's because of MP. It could be the provider 'Ziggo' in the Netherlands, it could be XP, MP, codecs, drivers or all of the above. Problem is that the problems started with the updating of MP. Without changing the pc configuration. That's a problem many seem to share. If it worked fine before why doesn't it now? Very frustrating.

Hi,

Does 1.0.2 still work fine for you? I guess this is ultimately going to be the best comparison.

Mark

Do I really have to try
I am very reluctant to revert back to 1.0.2. As long as my system does not crash in tvguide i will keep my family happy by not tweaking too much right now (world cup and all). And... the last two times i re-installed MP the problem came from my cable provider
I'd rather keep searching for the current and upcoming final version to work flawless than reverting back.

I know what you mean!

On the other hand, no sense in the developers spending days working through logs and code to see what has gone wrong since 1.0.2, only to find out that it has not.

Ultimately it is up to you. It would certainly be helpful to have someone who can give a side-by-side comparison of 1.0.2 and RC5 and confirm whether there is a problem.

Mark

 

[joostzilla]

Hi,

Does 1.0.2 still work fine for you? I guess this is ultimately going to be the best comparison.

Mark

Do I really have to try
I am very reluctant to revert back to 1.0.2. As long as my system does not crash in tvguide i will keep my family happy by not tweaking too much right now (world cup and all). And... the last two times i re-installed MP the problem came from my cable provider
I'd rather keep searching for the current and upcoming final version to work flawless than reverting back.

I know what you mean!

On the other hand, no sense in the developers spending days working through logs and code to see what has gone wrong since 1.0.2, only to find out that it has not.

Ultimately it is up to you. It would certainly be helpful to have someone who can give a side-by-side comparison of 1.0.2 and RC5 and confirm whether there is a problem.

Mark

I hope someone steps up and does just that.

 

[jameson_uk]

I'd rather keep searching for the current and upcoming final version to work flawless than reverting back.

Only problem is that if there was a bug in MP and the revs can't reproduce it and no one else reports it then it will never get fixed.

It is possible the issue is a combination of your hardware, drivers, codecs, TV provider...

If you are able to show things working in a previous version then that does suggest an issue with MP. If you are able to say it appeared in rc? Then the devs might be able to see the bug without being able to replicate it.

Using an image tool like acronis makes this far less of a pain as you can get back to your current setup in 30 mins

 

[oekie]

Tell me what to do! We need to tackle this! I'm sure it's something with mp, but i realize that we need to reproduce the fault

Greets oek

 

[jameson_uk]

Unfortunately no-one on the team uses XP any more, which could make it harder to fix these problems

I do but whilst I can test things my dev days are long behind me

Okay, question. Is anyone using Windows XP and has a really stable TV experience?

TV is fairly stable for me. I have DVB-T and DVB-S (previous issues were largely around the DVB-S card I had)

I get SD and HD and all playback is fine. Occasionally have slight issues with tuning on some HD DVB-S channel but I am 99% sure this is because of poor signal from the shared dish in my flats